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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It failed? Want to compare our economic results to Europe post bubble collapse? Whose response worked better? What should McCain/Palin have done? More tax cuts?

    And it's a fair point about Obamacare, but there is somehow never a good time to address healthcare, and the main ACA didn't take effect until this year, 5 years after the recession ended. Not enough time?

    Frankly I've been disappointed no one has addressed our trade problem. We can't offshore the production of wealth and then pretend we can sustain a growing economy on services. So how do we compete with $1/hour wages and nearly non-existent environmental rules, not to mention the state subsidies of our economic competitors? I don't know the answer as long as we embrace "free trade" so that's where my problems with Obama are - he's even now pushing the TPP. So terrible that we can't know what's in it - the negotiations are secret, even from much of Congress (but not the lobbyists). If the GOP took on that issue, maybe I'd have to start voting for them again, but they're on board as much as the corporate democrats and Obama.
    You don't seem to understand the European Economy vs ours at all. Europe relies on govt. spending, this country relies on consumer spending. There is quite a size difference, significant GDP difference, and certainly different thoughts on which is better. I will take the individual wealth creation economics any day over what Obama and liberals want. The normal European economy generates low productivity, low economic growth, high debt, and high unemployment. In addition they have the U.S. Military to defend them

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Are you trying to say that the court will rule that the laws used to indict Perry are unconstitutional or otherwise flawed?

    Are you trying to say that the court will rule that the office of the governor is immune to the laws used to indict Perry?

    Are you trying to say that the court will rule that the laws used to indict Perry don't count?
    The laws being used have nothing to do with what Perry did. The courts are going to decide that Perry had the right to do what he did regardless of the claims and that is all that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I don't see how this can possibly fly. From the report it seems the only thing he did was say "I'm going to veto funding if you pass it."

    It's fascinating that an ethics complaint was filed against a guy while the bitch that got wasted, got busted driving drunk and abused her authority is, apparently, fine and dandy with the Democrats. I mean, I could see that in Massachusetts Democrats but I'm kind of surprised to see it in Texas.
    If you listen to the Tea Party whine all the time about the RINOs being out to get them, you might see those same RINOs out to get Perry. He is the darling of the Tea Party. Also, he is Sarah Palin in a Cowboy Hat and a sure loser if nominated for the Presidency, which the Tea Party could pull off in the primaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I totally support locking up all of the crooks. on the left and the right.

    If the court convicts them, put them behind bars.
    Can't RICO Rick run for President from his prison cell? Then, after he is elected and inaugurated, he can pardon himself! There's still hope for the Party of Nope.

    I was afraid I'd be accused of gloating, so I thought I'd throw a bone to his Oops Troops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    If you listen to the Tea Party whine all the time about the RINOs being out to get them, you might see those same RINOs out to get Perry. He is the darling of the Tea Party. Also, he is Sarah Palin in a Cowboy Hat and a sure loser if nominated for the Presidency, which the Tea Party could pull off in the primaries.
    I don't know about Perry being a Tea Party darling. He'd be a preferable candidate to Jeb Bush or Chris Christie but I really don't think he's at the top too many folks list for the next president.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You don't charge a sitting Governor on such flimsy speculation. If the DA had an ounce of integrity, she would have resigned, but considering her actions during her arrest and detention, it's clear she has an inflated sense of ownership and entitlement. I doubt Governor Perry was the only one in Texas who thought she should go. Why can't it simply be that he wanted to take out the trash and see new leadership in that office?

    Bottom line, however, is that government leaders use the power of the purse to get things done - always have, always will. Better line them all up and start the parade to the courts.
    The underlined portion of your statement is what some are starting to question. Who would he have recommended to replace her? To that, let me ask the following questions:

    1. Prior to the public intoxication conviction, had Gov. Perry ever publically complained about DA Lehmberg's job performance or that of the Public Integrity Unit she managed?

    2. Assuming such charges of poor performance and unsatisfactory results were levied by Gov. Perry against DA Lehmberg, were they every substantiated?

    What I'm getting at was there every a pattern of poor performance from DA Lehmberg and the PIU prior to the public intox conviction and did the Governor make such public?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wow.......

    Me ? Deflection ?

    You just absolutely ignored her arrest, the VIDEO of her arrest and the fact she was arrested for driving with a blood alcohol level 3 times the legal limit.
    No. I've seen the videos. I believe a poster who goes by "Dipper" posted two of them. They're really embarrassing. Nonetheless, as a duly elected official she has every right not to resign and finish out her term. That said, I agree with those who have stated her actions were unbecoming of someone holding public office and she should have resigned, but she didn't. And in truth, the only people who have the right to pressure her to leave are: 1) her immediate supervisor (the County Commissioner) and, 2) the voting public.

    You ignored Perry's stated reason so you could invent some partisan BS hypothetical.
    Haven't seen Gov. Perry's most recent press conference on the matter; was about to until I came across this post. I'll provide feedback on his commentary after I've had a chance to hear what he had to say.

    Perry didn't act before because she hadn't been busted for driving drunk yet, and making a complete ass of herself.
    You kinda validated my point above, but I'll wait to see if others can provide a more solid answer to my questions above.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The laws being used have nothing to do with what Perry did. The courts are going to decide that Perry had the right to do what he did regardless of the claims and that is all that matters.
    In short, you believe Gov. Rick Perry to be above the law.

    It really doesn't matter though. The TX state code on coercion has an exception clause written into it that just might let the Governor off the hook. I disagree with it because it's very clear Gov. Perry overstepped his bounds here. He can recommend that DA Lehmberg resign, but he can't force her out of her duly elected position. He can use the power of the purse to persuade a (state) government office/department under his purview to tow the line, but he can't withhold funding which ultimately leads that department to be ineffective in the performance of its duties.

    IMO, anyone who can't see what Gov. Perry did was wrong simply doesn't want to see it.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The underlined portion of your statement is what some are starting to question. Who would he have recommended to replace her? To that, let me ask the following questions:

    1. Prior to the public intoxication conviction, had Gov. Perry ever publically complained about DA Lehmberg's job performance or that of the Public Integrity Unit she managed?

    2. Assuming such charges of poor performance and unsatisfactory results were levied by Gov. Perry against DA Lehmberg, were they every substantiated?

    What I'm getting at was there every a pattern of poor performance from DA Lehmberg and the PIU prior to the public intox conviction and did the Governor make such public?
    Why does there need to be a pattern? The person serving as DA and running the Public Integrity Unit showed a flagrant disregard for the law by driving with an open bottle of vodka in her car. She tried to abuse her power when she told jailers that her arrest was their problem, not hers.

    Oh, and Lehmberg did/does have a serious problem with alcohol. (Here's the PDF of her liquor store receipts: http://www.keyetv.com/images/Lehmberg%20receipts.pdf ). She was driving the wrong way. Ask yourself how many times she drove drunk before this.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    In short, you believe Gov. Rick Perry to be above the law.
    Nope, what you are trying to do is convict Perry on an ethics violation for doing what he had the authority to do. It is claimed that this is an ethics violation, If a Governor can veto legislation what does ethics have to do with it. It doesn't matter what his reasons were and you ought to know that. That is what the courts are going to decide as well. what then for you?

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    In short, you believe Gov. Rick Perry to be above the law.
    By his actions, it seems that Gov. Perry believes that was well.

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