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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The part that is important is that they can't veto for any reason and Perry himself should know that. His mistake was speaking about the reasons for the veto. He can use the veto power to influence the bill being passed itself. He can't use it to threaten people to step down. It'd be like Obama vetoing any bill until the Republicans in the house resign.
    Wrong, any bill that is vetoed can be overturned by the Legislature. Sorry, but the Governor can veto any bill for any reason. Want to bet on the outcome in the Courts?

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    You're giving up just like that?
    You're not even going to try to debate, construct an argument which explains and supports your position?
    Just some assertions and gainsaying, huh?
    Nothing to debate, Perry has the authority to veto any bill for any reason and the courts are going to rule in his favor, the last part is my opinion, the first part is fact.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    They were different types of recessions, with different causes. If you don't understand the extent of the debt bubble that was the cause of the GLOBAL recession that began in 2007, you really shouldn't be talking about appropriate responses. Besides, the "response" to the 2001 recession was to cut taxes, blow up the deficit, start a war, greatly expand government spending, and then start blowing up the debt bubble that collapsed in 2007. You think that was a sustainable economic plan?

    Besides, note the employment drop. Took 24 months, 18 months of them pre-Obama, to hit bottom. Different kind of recession by orders of magnitude.
    Your opinion noted, leadership was lacking. Obama submitted a 844 billion dollar stimulus program that failed and after that failure what was the next thing he did? Right, Obamacare. That leadership has led to the worst recovery in history and someone who is in over their head.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is your opinion which you are entitled to but it defies reality. Tell me exactly who this recession affected you and your family? Tell me what economic program Obama implemented that showed leadership in the face of the recession? You buy what you are told and ignore reality.

    It is every easy to point to the 750,000 jobs lost in the last two months of the Bush Administration but you never mention the million discouraged most of 2010 that weren't counted and made the official unemployment number look better than it was. Even today the discouraged workers are close to 800,000. Please let me know when Bush ever had 800,000 discouraged workers?
    It's a bit easier to show good economic results while you're blowing up the biggest debt bubble since the Great Depression, that led inevitably to a worldwide financial collapse and global Great Recession/Depression. You just can't blame the popping of a massive bubble on the guy who inherited a bubble already popped.

    And if you want to criticize the economic response, that's fine, but you have to do it in the context of what we were facing, and be realistic enough to acknowledge that another round of tax cuts, which is pretty much the GOP playbook for any economic ill, wasn't going to solve the problem. So what should have been done?

    You see, you buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. Before Democrats took control of the legislative Process Bush inherited the Clinton recession, had 9/11, and still had over 9 million jobs created. Democrats were more interested in regaining the WH than doing their job. So what did Obama do, he signed a stimulus program that went into effect February 2009 that failed to create the shovel ready jobs promised. He saw the failure of that stimulus program and followed it up with Obamacare. Now tell me that shows leadership?
    If you want to have a serious discussion, fine, but the democrats took over the House and Senate in January 2007. The housing bubble had already popped and was rolling over, and the debt bubble lasted a few more months, although I think that peak was reached in mid 2006 (have to look it up). Bottom line is there was ONE direction to go off a massive bubble and it was towards a massive crash. Nothing could have stopped that.

    Now if you acknowledge that and want to have a discussion about alternative ways to deal with that inevitable crash, that's fine. We can have a discussion.

    Nice diversion though on a tread where so called people who are concerned about ethics ignore the failed ethics of Obama to attack Rick Perry for doing his job and vetoing a bill that would have given money to someone who truly abused the taxpayer trust. Isn't it amazing how authorities were wrong and this DA wasn't when she drove drunk threatening innocent taxpayers on the road?
    Not much to say about the Perry indictment. And I didn't bring up the topic of who caused the recession - I just responded to a silly point about that.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'm not 100% sure, but which corruption is it that Perry's associated with? Implicated in? I've not heard anything, what have you on this?

    Otherwise, it's an empty and baseless claim.
    If this news is false and Perry is innocent, it will be reveled at trial. There is nothing wrong with forming an opinion based on what is known presently.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Nothing to debate, Perry has the authority to veto any bill for any reason and the courts are going to rule in his favor, the last part is my opinion, the first part is fact.
    Are you trying to say that the court will rule that the laws used to indict Perry are unconstitutional or otherwise flawed?

    Are you trying to say that the court will rule that the office of the governor is immune to the laws used to indict Perry?

    Are you trying to say that the court will rule that the laws used to indict Perry don't count?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your opinion noted, leadership was lacking. Obama submitted a 844 billion dollar stimulus program that failed and after that failure what was the next thing he did? Right, Obamacare. That leadership has led to the worst recovery in history and someone who is in over their head.
    It failed? Want to compare our economic results to Europe post bubble collapse? Whose response worked better? What should McCain/Palin have done? More tax cuts?

    And it's a fair point about Obamacare, but there is somehow never a good time to address healthcare, and the main ACA didn't take effect until this year, 5 years after the recession ended. Not enough time?

    Frankly I've been disappointed no one has addressed our trade problem. We can't offshore the production of wealth and then pretend we can sustain a growing economy on services. So how do we compete with $1/hour wages and nearly non-existent environmental rules, not to mention the state subsidies of our economic competitors? I don't know the answer as long as we embrace "free trade" so that's where my problems with Obama are - he's even now pushing the TPP. So terrible that we can't know what's in it - the negotiations are secret, even from much of Congress (but not the lobbyists). If the GOP took on that issue, maybe I'd have to start voting for them again, but they're on board as much as the corporate democrats and Obama.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    If this news is false and Perry is innocent, it will be reveled at trial. There is nothing wrong with forming an opinion based on what is known presently.
    So what is it that you know that leads you to believe that Perry has engaged in corrupt activities?

    Or is this just a baseless accusation?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    JasperL;1063651196]It's a bit easier to show good economic results while you're blowing up the biggest debt bubble since the Great Depression, that led inevitably to a worldwide financial collapse and global Great Recession/Depression. You just can't blame the popping of a massive bubble on the guy who inherited a bubble already popped.
    Sorry but the reality is good leadership not the partisan blame game would have gotten us into a normal recovery quicker and we still aren't there. All Obama did with the stimulus was bail out supporters, then he dumped millions and millions into micromanaging the economy, Solyndra and other solar power companies, took over GM/Chrysler selling people like you that he saved the auto industry, and when that didn't work he gave us Obamacare. That isn't leadership and that is the problem

    And if you want to criticize the economic response, that's fine, but you have to do it in the context of what we were facing, and be realistic enough to acknowledge that another round of tax cuts, which is pretty much the GOP playbook for any economic ill, wasn't going to solve the problem. So what should have been done?
    When you understand the components of GDP and what drives the economy then you will understand why tax cuts benefit the economy Anything that puts more money into the pockets of the American people benefits the economy. Big govt. is never the answer and Obama has yet to propose a budget cut and a smaller govt. He is a leftwing zealot who believes it is the role of the Federal Govt. to take over personal responsibility issues.



    If you want to have a serious discussion, fine, but the democrats took over the House and Senate in January 2007. The housing bubble had already popped and was rolling over, and the debt bubble lasted a few more months, although I think that peak was reached in mid 2006 (have to look it up). Bottom line is there was ONE direction to go off a massive bubble and it was towards a massive crash. Nothing could have stopped that.
    There were years and years of micro managing the economy prior to the bubble bursting starting with Carter and the CRA, Clinton and the sub prime program, and then Franklin Raines and Jaimie Gorelick. You buy what the media tells you and ignores history. The problem remains liberal arrogance where there are no consequences for poor personal choices. GM/Chrysler should have been allowed to fail, people who took out mortgages that they couldn't afford should have been allowed to fail. Liberals only kick the can down the road. "Your" President has added 7 trillion dollars to the debt so tell me what the debt service is going to be when interest rates rise? It is 250 billion a year now, the fourth largest budget item

    Now if you acknowledge that and want to have a discussion about alternative ways to deal with that inevitable crash, that's fine. We can have a discussion.
    There is no way to have an honest discussion with any liberal regarding personal responsibility issues.



    Not much to say about the Perry indictment. And I didn't bring up the topic of who caused the recession - I just responded to a silly point about that.
    Not much more to discuss about the Perry issue, the courts will decide but by that time liberals will be on to some other subject and will ignore the outcome because they aren't going to like it

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Perry simply isn't likable. The man can't carry moderates nationally and isn't half as connected as Bush was.


    I think the time of the "Raging yet obviously fake Southern Conservative" has passed nationally speaking.
    As a native Texan, I agree. He isn't likable. As far as I'm concerned Perry's the worst Gov. ever. Bush was bad, but not nears a bad as Perry. But their being elected isn't a good testament about Texas voters. Texas voters are a strange bunch. Or have become strange over the last 25 years.

    Perry's success has come from his handlers over the years. They can make him look good, but that's where it ends. When he opens his mouth...it's over. He's a prop. A moronic prop at that.

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