Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

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IOW:If he gets convicted, he might end up in the slammer.

Which is OK with me.




"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

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Lutherf said:

As far as gerrymandering....I figure they already have that down pretty good.

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Texas Democrats may be a little rusty.

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Fenton said:

Yea, the outrage is over Perry's right to Veto, not the fact that this Liberal DA is still in office after a DUI and making a absolute spectacle of herself.

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No, the outrage is the massive conflict of interest when a state governor interferes with someone investigating his office.

Imagine if a president could veto their own impeachment. How would that not seem ****ed up to you?

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I think that we are getting a little side-tracked here. I don't believe that Gov. Perry was indicted for his use of the veto, but rather the manner in which it was exercised. The two counts are "Abuse of Official Capacity" and "Coercion of Public Servant". The state laws that apply to this matter are Texas Penal Code Section 39.02: Abuse of Official Capacity, and Section 36.03: Coercion of Public Servant or Voter.

I've pulled some applicable language from both:
From 36.03:
(a) A person commits an offense if by means of coercion he:
(1) influences or attempts to influence a public servant in a specific exercise of his official power or a specific performance of his official duty or influences or attempts to influence a public servant to violate the public servant's known legal duty;

However this may be rendered moot by subsection c:
(c) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (a)(1) of this section that the person who influences or attempts to influence the public servant is a member of the governing body of a governmental entity, and that the action that influences or attempts to influence the public servant is an official action taken by the member of the governing body. For the purposes of this subsection, the term "official action" includes deliberations by the governing body of a governmental entity.

And from 39.02:
(a) A public servant commits an offense if, with intent to obtain a benefit or with intent to harm or defraud another, he intentionally or knowingly:
(1) violates a law relating to the public servant's office or employment; or
(2) misuses government property, services, personnel, or any other thing of value belonging to the government that has come into the public servant's custody or possession by virtue of the public servant's office or employment.

Food for thought...

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Fenton said:

He has the authority to not only Veto spending but to announce that veto.

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And the court has the authority to lock him up in prison for quite a few years.

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Deuce said:

No, the outrage is the massive conflict of interest when a state governor interferes with someone investigating his office.

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And again. This isn't about any investigation of his office.

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Deuce said:

No, the outrage is the massive conflict of interest when a state governor interferes with someone investigating his office.

Imagine if a president could veto their own impeachment. How would that not seem ****ed up to you?

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They were investigating Rick Perry ?

For what exactly ?

Because the indictment came down AFTER the Travis County DA got busted for DUI.

If the issue was simply shutting down the DA who's responsible for investigating corrupt lawmakers ( like Andrew Cuomo did ) he would have veoted their spending long ago.

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shrubnose said:

And the court has the authority to lock him up in prison for quite a few years.

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For exercising his Constitutional authority ?

For saying he was going to exercise his Constitutional authority BEFORE he did it ?

Really ?

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Perry never had a serious shot at the presidency anyway. This just eliminates the teeny tiny chance that he thought he had in the first place. Good riddance to this idiot.

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Fenton said:

For exercising his Constitutional authority ?

For saying he was going to exercise his Constitutional authority BEFORE he did it ?

Really ?

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If he's convicted of the crimes that he has been indicted for it's very possible that he'll do some serious jail time.

He'd look good in a prison jump-suit with stripes on it. I'd like to see that picture.




"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

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Simon W. Moon said:

This case is idiosyncratic at least because it involves Texas laws. I don't think that we need to presume that the precedent will apply to other states.
But Ianal.

But, istm, the charge is that this is different from standard veto dramas and idiosyncratic in other ways .
If Perry is convicted it will be because there was something about this case which makes it different from standard issue veto actions.
At least that's my ignorant opinion.

If Perry is not convicted, then maybe this veto drama is different than standard veto dramas without being illegal or it could be the same as run of the mill veto dramas.
Won't be able to tell from that alone.

But if this affair has some characteristics or attributes which distinguish it from "regular" vetoes, then the applicability of the precedent should be limited by those same distinguishing characteristics. Again, Ianal.


:salt:

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We shall see what we shall see. Interesting case though.

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Blago from my state has an open bed in his cell out in Colorado.
Ryan before him just got out.
And don't think for one moment they actually got all the Illinois crooks either .

shrubnose said:

If he's convicted of the crimes that he has been indicted for it's very possible that he'll do some serious jail time.

He'd look good in a prison jump-suit with stripes on it. I'd like to see that picture.




"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

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NIMBY said:

Blago from my state has an open bed in his cell out in Colorado.
Ryan before him just got out.

And don't think for one moment they actually got all the Illinois crooks either

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I totally support locking up all of the crooks. on the left and the right.

If the court convicts them, put them behind bars.

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Fenton said:

No, the Goal post were moved long before I posted in this thread.

Perry's legal authority to Veto spending suddenly morphed into a grand conspiracy to shut down Political investigations.

Its a BS, and its the best the Liberals can do.

Perry's popular in Texas, and through his leadership our economy has grown and so has our surplus.

This is only going to piss off and motivate the majority of Conservative voters in a already Red State.

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Actually, Perry is not as popular as you believe. He won the governorship with only 34% of the vote. The other choices for gov were Democrat Chris Bell, Independent Kinky Friedman, the Raging Granny, whose name I forget, and a couple others who got a few votes. I voted for Friedman, a fellow "Jewboy". LOL.

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Fenton said:

They were investigating Rick Perry ? For what exactly ? Because the indictment came down AFTER the Travis County DA got busted for DUI. If the issue was simply shutting down the DA who's responsible for investigating corrupt lawmakers ( like Andrew Cuomo did ) he would have veoted their spending long ago.

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The CPRIT. The Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas.

The funding that Rick Perry vetoed was going to the Travis County DA's Public Integrity Unit, which at the time was going after Rick Perry's appointees on the CPRIT. It's a grant-awarding organization that was created in 2007 per a voter's proposition is supposed to be funding research on cancer, however it had been making grant requests to organizations (skipping scientific and business reviews) tied to politician contributors of Rick Perry, Greg Abbott and David Dewhurst.

http://www.dallasnews.com/investiga...funded-projects-of-perry-campaign-contributor

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Watching right-wingers lose their mind over this is hilarious. Suddenly everything is SO unfair. :lamo

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brothern said:

The CPRIT. The Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas.

The funding that Rick Perry vetoed was going to the Travis County DA's Public Integrity Unit, which at the time was going after Rick Perry's appointees on the CPRIT. It's a grant-awarding organization that was created in 2007 per a voter's proposition is supposed to be funding research on cancer, however it had been making grant requests to organizations (skipping scientific and business reviews) tied to politician contributors of Rick Perry, Greg Abbott and David Dewhurst.

http://www.dallasnews.com/investiga...funded-projects-of-perry-campaign-contributor

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And?


You have no point.
Had she resigned that office would have had that funding and continued investigating.

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Deuce said:

Imagine if a president could veto their own impeachment. How would that not seem ****ed up to you?

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You analogy may be a little stretched as an impeachment is more like a trial than an investigation and Congress isn't an investigative body.
Also, I think that the investigation is not into Perry but one of Perry's acquaintances.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/u...d-over-veto-of-funds-for-das-office.html?_r=0

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Verax said:

Watching right-wingers lose their mind over this is hilarious. Suddenly everything is SO unfair. :lamo

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WTF are you talking about?
It seems the Dems are salivating at the prospects of a Perry conviction.

Fyi

FYI

Rick Perry Indictment - August 15, 2014

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STUT said:

However this may be rendered moot by subsection c:
(c) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (a)(1) of this section that the person who influences or attempts to influence the public servant is a member of the governing body of a governmental entity, and that the action that influences or attempts to influence the public servant is an official action taken by the member of the governing body. For the purposes of this subsection, the term "official action" includes deliberations by the governing body of a governmental entity.

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The GJ indictment seems to refer to that:


"...the defendant and Rosemary Lehmberg were not members of the same governing body of a governmental entity..."

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Deuce said:

He cut funding to a group investigating him.

Can you imagine the conservative response if Obama cut funding to groups investigating Benghazi?

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What were they investigating him for?

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Excon said:

brothern said:

The CPRIT. The Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas.

The funding that Rick Perry vetoed was going to the Travis County DA's Public Integrity Unit, which at the time was going after Rick Perry's appointees on the CPRIT. It's a grant-awarding organization that was created in 2007 per a voter's proposition is supposed to be funding research on cancer, however it had been making grant requests to organizations (skipping scientific and business reviews) tied to politician contributors of Rick Perry, Greg Abbott and David Dewhurst.

http://www.dallasnews.com/investiga...funded-projects-of-perry-campaign-contributor

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And? You have no point. Had she resigned that office would have had that funding and continued investigating.

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... and this is the third Rick Perry program that has been giving grants to Texas Republican Leadership. The other two are the Texas Enterprise Fund and the Emerging Technology Fund.

Had she resigned, Rick Perry would have appointed her replacement. So you'd have a corruption investigation tied against Perry's administration being taken over by one of his direct appointees.

Either way Rick Perry was able to successfully hinder the corruption investigation. When the funding for the Public Integrity Unit was vetoed by Perry, Travis County stepped in and provided half of the original funding coming from the state.

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brothern said:

... and this is the third Rick Perry program that has been giving grants to Texas Republican Leadership. The other two are the Texas Enterprise Fund and the Emerging Technology Fund.

Had she resigned, Rick Perry would have appointed her replacement. So you'd have a corruption investigation tied against Perry's administration being taken over by one of his direct appointees.

Either way Rick Perry was able to successfully hinder the corruption investigation. When the funding for the Public Integrity Unit was vetoed by Perry, Travis County stepped in and provided half of the original funding coming from the state.

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Gawd! :doh
And?
It has nothing to do with the indictment.

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Lutherf said:

I don't see how this can possibly fly. From the report it seems the only thing he did is say "I'm going to veto funding is you pass it" which, to the best of my knowledge, is perfectly legal and done pretty damned regularly across the nation as well as in DC.

It's fascinating that an ethics complaint was filed against a guy who followed the law while the bitch that got wasted, got busted driving drunk and abused her authority is, apparently, fine and dandy with the Democrats. I mean, I could see that in Massachusetts Democrats but I'm kind of surprised to see it in Texas.

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Democrats? The Governor has been indicted on 2 felonies. What does that have to do with Democrats?