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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Texmex said:
I don't know. This thread is about Perry, not Obama.
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My answer speculated about Perry. Perhaps that that wasn't clear enough for you.
 
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ocean515 said:
My answer speculated about Perry. Perhaps that that wasn't clear enough for you.
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I apologize. I thought I read the work Obama.
 
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danarhea said:
In any state, an indictment is given if there is probable cause. Since there was probable cause, Perry was indicted. However, during trial, the bar is higher for conviction, which may or may not happen, depending on the evidence that will be presented. Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is a much higher bar than probable cause.
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You are arguing with yourself. So far it looks like you're winning, but do let us know the final result :2wave:

P.S. You should have took the Google advice . . . . .
 
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Texmex said:
I apologize. I thought I read the work Obama.
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I understand. You thought you heard a dog whistle, and couldn't resist barking.
 
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Karl said:
You are arguing with yourself. So far it looks like you're winning, but do let us know the final result :2wave:

P.S. You should have took the Google advice . . . . .
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Anything to say on the topic at hand? Or are you just going to keep trolling?
 
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Karl said:
You are arguing with yourself. So far it looks like you're winning, but do let us know the final result :2wave:

P.S. You should have took the Google advice . . . . .
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If anyone's beating themselves in an argument, it's you.
 
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Lutherf said:
I don't see how this can possibly fly. From the report it seems the only thing he did is say "I'm going to veto funding is you pass it" which, to the best of my knowledge, is perfectly legal and done pretty damned regularly across the nation as well as in DC.

It's fascinating that an ethics complaint was filed against a guy who followed the law while the bitch that got wasted, got busted driving drunk and abused her authority is, apparently, fine and dandy with the Democrats. I mean, I could see that in Massachusetts Democrats but I'm kind of surprised to see it in Texas.
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I like how she's the "bitch that got wasted" and he is "a guy who followed the law"... partisan much?
 
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I'm guessing the problem here is that he threatened to cut funding to an organization that investigates gov't corruption. Seems like self preservation to me.
 
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OnWisconsin said:
I like how she's the "bitch that got wasted" and he is "a guy who followed the law"... partisan much?
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Well, she did get wasted. But guess what? So did 2 Republican prosecutors, and Perry did nothing. Want to know the difference here? In Lehmberg's case, if she were to step down, Perry would get to appoint her replacement. And he would appoint one of his own, just like he did when he quashed the investigation of the execution of Willingham, who turned out to be an innocent man. Since the unit investigating the case was under his direct control, he fired them all and appointed his own people, who then killed the investigation. IMHO, Perry's ethical behavior in the Lehmberg case pales in comparison to what he did in the Willingham case.
 
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Karl said:
I'm here to observe and comment, not to dispense remedial education or debate the obvious.
Google is your friend if you are truly in search of enlightenment ;)
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Another unsupported assertion is left to twist in the wind by a poster who is too good to back his own statements.
 
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danarhea said:
In any state, an indictment is given if there is probable cause. Since there was probable cause, Perry was indicted. However, during trial, the bar is higher for conviction, which may or may not happen, depending on the evidence that will be presented. Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is a much higher bar than probable cause.
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The fix was always in, as expected from a ****hole like Travis Co....

"More troubling, however, is the fact that Chalmers attended, photographed, and commented on an event with Democratic state Sen. Kirk Watson while grand jury proceedings were ongoing.

Watson was a witness in front of the grand jury. On June 27, 2014, Chalmers shared a photo of the Watson event on a community Facebook page she started called Developer’s Dungeon. “Senator Kirk Watson telling the story of the Wendy Davis fillibuster (sic),” she wrote in a comment accompanying the picture. …

Numerous posts from both of Chalmers’ Facebook pages — her personal page, which she shares with her husband, Davis [David, apparently, from the screen caps -- Ed], and her “Developer’s Dungeon” page — make clear that she is a partisan Democratic activist, and that she was an active participant in the Texas Democratic Party’s state convention in June while grand jury proceedings were ongoing.

Perry grand juror also a Texas Democratic Party delegate? « Hot Air
 
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j-mac said:
The ... ongoing.
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We went over this already.

Three points.

1)
If you actually read what is written, you will notice that there is not even one single allegation of wrongdoing.
Not one.
No one is even saying that something untoward happened.
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2)
After that, we could also add the moot point that there's zero evidence presented that something inappropriate happened [ to support the allegation which has not been made ].
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3)
There is evidence that Chalmers took emotion out of it and looked at the facts.
The article cited in your article, the one from the Houston Chronicle, quotes Chalmers, "several" other members of the GJ saying that they made a good faith effort to be impartial about the thing.
That is not very much evidence, their sayso I suppose.
However, it stacks up against zero evidence to the contrary.
More than zero is more than zero no matter how infinitesimal it is
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So, be as "concerned" as you like, or w/e tf you'd like to call it, but as of yet, there's nothing and no one actually saying that there's been any impropriety.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
We went over this already.

Three points.

1)
If you actually read what is written, you will notice that there is not even one single allegation of wrongdoing.
Not one.
No one is even saying that something untoward happened.
​

2)
After that, we could also add the moot point that there's zero evidence presented that something inappropriate happened [ to support the allegation which has not been made ].
​

3)
There is evidence that Chalmers took emotion out of it and looked at the facts.
The article cited in your article, the one from the Houston Chronicle, quotes Chalmers, "several" other members of the GJ saying that they made a good faith effort to be impartial about the thing.
That is not very much evidence, their sayso I suppose.
However, it stacks up against zero evidence to the contrary.
More than zero is more than zero no matter how infinitesimal it is
​


So, be as "concerned" as you like, or w/e tf you'd like to call it, but as of yet, there's nothing and no one actually saying that there's been any impropriety.
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Was this before or after she partied with one of the GJ witnesses? Or posted the "giddy" facebook entries during serving on the case? As I told you before Simon, you can give your opinion that nothing is wrong, and my opinion differs...:shrug:

IMHO, this is the liberal left trying to "criminalize" anything opposing liberalism.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
We went over this already.

Three points.

1)
If you actually read what is written, you will notice that there is not even one single allegation of wrongdoing.
Not one.
No one is even saying that something untoward happened.
​

2)
After that, we could also add the moot point that there's zero evidence presented that something inappropriate happened [ to support the allegation which has not been made ].
​

3)
There is evidence that Chalmers took emotion out of it and looked at the facts.
The article cited in your article, the one from the Houston Chronicle, quotes Chalmers, "several" other members of the GJ saying that they made a good faith effort to be impartial about the thing.
That is not very much evidence, their sayso I suppose.
However, it stacks up against zero evidence to the contrary.
More than zero is more than zero no matter how infinitesimal it is
​


So, be as "concerned" as you like, or w/e tf you'd like to call it, but as of yet, there's nothing and no one actually saying that there's been any impropriety.
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That doesn't seem to matter to those demanding that the prosecutor not handle the Brown case.
 
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j-mac said:
Was this before or after she partied with one of the GJ witnesses?
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"partied with" = "Chalmers attended, photographed, and commented on an event with Democratic state Sen. Kirk Watson"

Again, Sikma does not accuse Chalmers of wrongdoing.

There are no allegations of wrongdoing--if there are, please share them
There is no evidence of wrongdoing--if there is, please share


j-mac said:
As I told you before Simon, you can give your opinion that nothing is wrong, and my opinion differs...
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I am not giving an opinion.
I am pointing out that no one has accused her of wrongdoing.


What wrongdoing did Chalmers do?
Who is accusing her of what wrongdoing?
What evidence has been presented?
 
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nota bene said:
That doesn't seem to matter to those demanding that the prosecutor not handle the Brown case.
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There are actual accusations of wrongdoing in that matter.
No one has accused Chalmers of any wrongdoing.
 
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At least the outcome of the fiasco is that Perry's political career is over. Personally, I would rather this not having occurred. I looked forward to seeing Perry make a fool of himself again running for president.
 
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Texmex said:
At least the outcome of the fiasco is that Perry's political career is over. Personally, I would rather this not having occurred. I looked forward to seeing Perry make a fool of himself again running for president.
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the only problem being that the guy in the WH right now fooled a lot of people, is totally incompetent so basically anyone else is a viable alternative.
 
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Conservative said:
the only problem being that the guy in the WH right now fooled a lot of people, is totally incompetent so basically anyone else is a viable alternative.
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The difference is the "guy" in the White House right now was elected to that office twice. Rick Perry has not been elected to that office even one time. If fact, he was unable to secure his party's nomination because of his ignorance.

Fooling a lot of people is something the conservatives have majored in for decades. Turn about is fair play.
 
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Texmex said:
The difference is the "guy" in the White House right now was elected to that office twice. Rick Perry has not been elected to that office even one time. If fact, he was unable to secure his party's nomination because of his ignorance.

Fooling a lot of people is something the conservatives have majored in for decades. Turn about is fair play.
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No, as usual and as a liberal you think with your heart and not your brain. The guy in the WH ran on a White Board which allowed you to make him be whatever you wanted him to be and most bought the hope and change message without looking at the resume. He promised to transform America and transformation was never defined so as usual the "American Idol" voter interpreted that differently that Obama. We have been transformed into a high dependent populace and a divided country that is now in a class warfare mode.

Results matter not rhetoric. Obama lacked the experience, the leadership skills, and the team building skills to even come close to doing the job. Perry at least held an executive position, managed a budget, and whether you like it or not was head of a State that led the nation in job creation, population growth, and strong economic growth.
 
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Conservative said:
No, as usual and as a liberal you think with your heart and not your brain. The guy in the WH ran on a White Board which allowed you to make him be whatever you wanted him to be and most bought the hope and change message without looking at the resume. He promised to transform America and transformation was never defined so as usual the "American Idol" voter interpreted that differently that Obama. We have been transformed into a high dependent populace and a divided country that is now in a class warfare mode.

Results matter not rhetoric. Obama lacked the experience, the leadership skills, and the team building skills to even come close to doing the job. Perry at least held an executive position, managed a budget, and whether you like it or not was head of a State that led the nation in job creation, population growth, and strong economic growth.
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How many times has Rick Perry been elected President of the United States. My guy has done it twice.
 
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Texmex said:
How many times has Rick Perry been elected President of the United States. My guy has done it twice.
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Your guy has created a mess that is going to take a long time to clean up. Your total lack of understanding of leadership is a problem. Your guy has no economic result better than the previous guy but his flowery rhetoric causes you to ignore that reality. Rhetoric trumps results in the liberal world.
 
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Conservative said:
Your guy has created a mess that is going to take a long time to clean up. Your total lack of understanding of leadership is a problem. Your guy has no economic result better than the previous guy but his flowery rhetoric causes you to ignore that reality. Rhetoric trumps results in the liberal world.
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Score: Obama 2 Perry 0
 
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Texmex said:
Score: Obama 2 Perry 0
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So what you are saying is that winning is more important than generating positive economic and foreign policy results? Not surprising at all. that attitude is going to serve you quite well in the future, LOL.
 
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