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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

It probably just got real for Perry:

(Reuters) - Texas Governor Rick Perry, a possible Republican presidential candidate in the 2016 race, was fingerprinted and had his mug shot taken by judicial authorities on Tuesday after being indicted last week on two felony charges of abusing power.

Indicted Texas Governor Perry has fingerprints, mug shot taken | Reuters

"[...] This indictment is fundamentally a political act that seeks to achieve at the courthouse what could not be achieved at the ballot box," Perry said after finishing the 15-minute processing at the Travis County criminal justice center, a short walk away from the governor's mansion.
ROFLMAO... Perry himself tried to achieve at the governor's office (via veto) what could not be achieved at the ballot box (Lehmberg's removal). This guy is as clueless as they come.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

It probably just got real for Perry:




ROFLMAO... Perry himself tried to achieve at the governor's office (via veto) what could not be achieved at the ballot box (Lehmberg's removal). This guy is as clueless as they come.

Rather interesting that you care so much about Perry whereas the people of TX care more about the booming economy and jobs created here. Obama should be thanking TX for all the job created and the wages in all wage levels

https://www.dallasfed.org/assets/documents/research/swe/2014/swe1401d.pdf

Texas experienced stronger job
growth than the rest of the nation in all
four wage quartiles from 2000 to 2013,
even in the middle two wage quartiles,
where growth in the rest of the nation
was negative and zero, respectively
(Chart 1).6
In Texas, the two upper wage
quartiles grew at 28 and 36 percent,
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

You believe an indictment is a conviction and of course it isn't.
Sheesh you're stubborn.
You really don't have a clue about what I think.
I certainly don't think the drivel you're attributing to me.

Yes, I read the indictment and stand by my statement, with no harm done there is no case
LOL.
Count I says "with intent to harm."
Intent to harm is not harm.

Look, you seem to be having a really hard time with this.
Don't feel bad, you're not alone.

Let me demonstrate how it's done. I'll do Count I. You read that and try your hand at count II.

The indictment of Perry won't stand because...

As to Count I
On or about June 14, 2013, in the County of Travis, Texas, James Richard "Rick" Perry, with intent to harm another, to-wit, Rosemary Lehmberg and the Public Integrity Unit of the Travis County District Attorney's Office, intentionally or knowingly misused government property by dealing with such property contrary to an agreement under which defendant held such property or contrary to the oath of office he took as a public servant, such government property being monies having a value of in excess of $200,000 which were approved and authorized by the Legislature of the State of Texas to fund the continued operation of the Public Integrity Unit of the Travis County District Attorney's Office, and which had come into defendant's custody or possession by virtue of the defendant's office as a public servant, namely, Governor of the State of Texas.
The State of Texas v. James Richard "Rick" Perry
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/PICS/AUGUST14/Perryindictment.pdf


Perry did not perform acts which comport to the specifics contained in the law.
To wit

Before the governor signs legislation, it is not a law.
Any legislation which provided monies for the continued operation of the Public Integrity Unit is not a law until it is signed off on by the governor.
This legislation was never signed by the governor.
Therefore the legislation never became law.
Funding, monies, contained in bills are not real. Funding does not come into being until the legislation becomes a law.
This legislation never became a law.
Therefore the monies never actually existed.
It is impossible to misuse property which does not exist.
Therefore, not only is there reasonable doubt that Perry is guilty of this charge, it is literally impossible for him to be guilty of this charge.


See?

Give it go with Count II.
 
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Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Simon has stated that the facts are in the indictment and that isn't true at all, the facts will come out in trial, the indictment lists the charges. Why are you trolling?

Pointing out your dishonesty isn't trolling.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Why are you deliberately lying about what Simon has stated?
It's not a lie if you don't know that what you're saying is false.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Simon has stated that the facts are in the indictment and that isn't true at all, the facts will come out in trial, the indictment lists the charges. Why are you trolling?
I don't recall making that statement.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Sheesh you're stubborn.
You really don't have a clue about what I think.
I certainly don't think the drivel you're attributing to me.


LOL.
Count I says "with intent to harm."
Intent to harm is not harm.

Look, you seem to be having a really hard time with this.
Don't feel bad, you're not alone.

Let me demonstrate how it's done. I'll do Count I. You read that and try your hand at count II.

The indictment of Perry won't stand because...

As to Count I
On or about June 14, 2013, in the County of Travis, Texas, James Richard "Rick" Perry, with intent to harm another, to-wit, Rosemary Lehmberg and the Public Integrity Unit of the Travis County District Attorney's Office, intentionally or knowingly misused government property by dealing with such property contrary to an agreement under which defendant held such property or contrary to the oath of office he took as a public servant, such government property being monies having a value of in excess of $200,000 which were approved and authorized by the Legislature of the State of Texas to fund the continued operation of the Public Integrity Unit of the Travis County District Attorney's Office, and which had come into defendant's custody or possession by virtue of the defendant's office as a public servant, namely, Governor of the State of Texas.
The State of Texas v. James Richard "Rick" Perry
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/PICS/AUGUST14/Perryindictment.pdf


Perry did not perform acts which comport to the specifics contained in the law.
To wit

Before the governor signs legislation, it is not a law.
Any legislation which provided monies for the continued operation of the Public Integrity Unit is not a law until it is signed off on by the governor.
This legislation was never signed by the governor.
Therefore the legislation never became law.
Funding, monies, contained in bills are not real. Funding does not come into being until the legislation becomes a law.
This legislation never became a law.
Therefore the monies never actually existed.
It is impossible to misuse property which does not exist.
Therefore, not only is there reasonable doubt that Perry is guilty of this charge, it is literally impossible for him to be guilty of this charge.


See?

Give it go with Count II.

Then stop making dumbass statements, you claimed that the facts are in the indictment when the reality is the charges are in the indictment. Perry is going to win this one and even prominent democrats are running from it.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Then stop making dumbass statements...
In a nicer way I have trying to encourage you to follow that advice your own self.

you claimed that the facts are in the indictment...
I still don't recall saying that.

I take it you're not up to the challenge of constructing an argument as to why Count II won't fly?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I wonder how many times democrats in TX have to try and criminalize opposing political ideology and lose embarrassingly before they realize it is a losing strategy?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I wonder how many times democrats in TX have to try and criminalize opposing political ideology and lose embarrassingly before they realize it is a losing strategy?

Well, Ronnie Earle destroyed Tom Delay's career and reputation. The man spent three years in prison before being acquitted. I think Travis County Dems might call this a "win." And if this partisan ploy succeeds and derails Rick Perry's ambitions (when, really, he's capable of doing this all by himself), they'll also call this a "win" too.

What would be funny is if this backfires.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I don't recall making that statement.
Accuracy is not necessarily a component of deflection ;)
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Well, Ronnie Earle destroyed Tom Delay's career and reputation. The man spent three years in prison before being acquitted. I think Travis County Dems might call this a "win." And if this partisan ploy succeeds and derails Rick Perry's ambitions (when, really, he's capable of doing this all by himself), they'll also call this a "win" too.

What would be funny is if this backfires.

This might be one of the most political offices in the country which just confirms what I have said all along, liberals have to spread their misery equally to everyone. They just cannot be happy with the economic successes in TX, the massive population growth, the Fortune 500 companies moving here, all the jobs being created, low cost of living. Makes you wonder why ideology trumps actual economic results so they have to destroy the individuals
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

This might be one of the most political offices in the country which just confirms what I have said all along, liberals have to spread their misery equally to everyone. They just cannot be happy with the economic successes in TX, the massive population growth, the Fortune 500 companies moving here, all the jobs being created, low cost of living. Makes you wonder why ideology trumps actual economic results so they have to destroy the individuals
I'd ask you to consider the possibility that you are widely and wildly mistaken in your assessments of other people and their motivations.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Accuracy is not necessarily a component of deflection ;)
He may have just confused me with someone else.

That kind of thing happens all the time.
I have trouble keeping posters apart sometimes.

It'd be a sign of class if he acknowledged that was mistaken about what he thinks I said and about what he thinks I think.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I'd ask you to consider the possibility that you are widely and wildly mistaken in your assessments of other people and their motivations.

How do you know I haven't considered it. I grew up a staunch Democrat when it wasn't a problem being a conservative. The Democrat Party left me. I spent 35 years in the business world starting with nothing but worked hard and eventually had over 1200 employees working for me so I am a pretty good judge of people and their actions

My bet is that I have voted for more Democrats, mostly local races than many so called liberals here have voted for Republicans. I vote for the person with the results, not the rhetoric and what is happening in Travis Country is wrong.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

He may have just confused me with someone else.

That kind of thing happens all the time.
I have trouble keeping posters apart sometimes.

It'd be a sign of class if he acknowledged that was mistaken about what he thinks I said and about what he thinks I think.

I am not going back to review your posts and would suggest you do it. It was when you are talking about the indictment and you said the facts are listed. The facts aren't listed, the charges are. I stand by my statement
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Well, Ronnie Earle destroyed Tom Delay's career and reputation. The man spent three years in prison before being acquitted. [...]
Mmm, no. He remained free on bond during his appeal.

And he was not acquitted, rather his conviction was overturned/reversed on appeal. The State of Texas is appealing that reversal to a higher court, so Delay is not out of the woods yet.
 
Wherein Conservative Lusts for Lehmberg

How do you know I haven't considered it.
I don't know it. But it didn't hurt to ask.

...I am a pretty good judge of people and their actions...
Maybe so. But your assessments about me have been off by orders of magnitude--galaxies away from correct.
w/e

I am not going back to review your posts and would suggest you do it.
Of course you are not going to. To be expected.
And, of course, you want someone else to do your leg work to prove your point.

; ) lol ; )

You said that you thought Lehmberg was lightning hot and that you wanted to bed her so bad you were chewing your sleeve cuffs while watching the videos of her.
I would post a link to your letters of lust to Lehmberg, but I am not going back to review your posts. I would suggest you do it.

Just because I make a charge, that doesn't mean that I am the one responsible for backing it up.
That's crazy talk.
How could we ever have a debate if we each had to support our own assertions?
Obviously, my opponent in a debate is the one who carries the responsibility for providing the backing for my assertions, duh.
Could you imagine what a debate would be like if everyone provided support and evidence for their own assertions?
Chaos, I tell you. Chaos! Cats sleeping with dogs and the like...

; ) lol ; )


You might get more out of this site if you learned how to debate.
:shrug:
w/e
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I am not going back to review your posts and would suggest you do it.
I'll spoon feed it to you.

Here are some search parameters you can use. Can't post a link to the results though.

Search: Type: Posts; Keyword(s): fact; User: Simon W. Moon; Date is After 08-13-14; Forum = *Breaking News* - Mainstream Media and child forums
Search: Type: Posts; Keyword(s): facts; User: Simon W. Moon; Date is After 08-13-14; Forum = *Breaking News* - Mainstream Media and child forums

There are only seven posts which meet the search criteria.
Depending on how long it takes you to read the posts, you could get through all seven of them in a jiffy.
I am sure that any interested readers could get through them relatively quickly.

Find where I said what you say I said.

Good Luck!

Should I be surprised if you continue to stand by your statement about what I have said despite the utter lack of evidence?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Mmm, no. He remained free on bond during his appeal.

And he was not acquitted, rather his conviction was overturned/reversed on appeal. The State of Texas is appealing that reversal to a higher court, so Delay is not out of the woods yet.

Hmmm...Do you believe that non progressive ideologies should be imprisoned?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Hmmm...Do you believe that non progressive ideologies should be imprisoned?
I think all ideologies should be imprisoned so that the humans could think better.
I think that ideologies tend to be shortcuts for lazy thinking.

I think we'd be better off if we thought about questions rather than accepting ideological answers.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I think all ideologies should be imprisoned so that the humans could think better.
I think that ideologies tend to be shortcuts for lazy thinking.

I think we'd be better off if we thought about questions rather than accepting ideological answers.

Oh come off it Simon...That's a cop out. You chose your lean in here as "conservative", an ideology I might remind you, but now want to come off as some sort of free floating thinker, yet in nearly every conversation I have had with you, you seem more a contrarian than anything else...I don't find that necessarily a bad thing, more annoying than anything else.

But don't for a second think that because you as a person don't agree with someone elses POV that they should be "imprisoned" to spark your version of 'clear thinking'...It is just as lazy as you claim others to be IMHO.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

But don't for a second think that because you as a person don't agree with someone elses POV that they should be "imprisoned" to spark your version of 'clear thinking'...It is just as lazy as you claim others to be IMHO.
I don't want people imprisoned.
Just the ideologies.
To me they're separate things people and ideology.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Anyone come up with a good rebuttal for Count II of the indictment they'd like to share?
 
Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prosecutors' funds

All I can say is HOLY CRAP. This is going to be a political crapstorm.

Article is here.

I think it very comforting that such relatively small breaches of the law lead to indictment of what are very powerful politicians.
 
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