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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you admit that a Governor can be committing a crime by vetoing a bill.

    Now you know why Perry has been indicted.
    Vetoing a bill isn't a crime, nice try but typical of you and still no answer to my question

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven1 View Post
    I may get frowny faces for saying this, and I have a lot of family in California, but I don't like Californians. They are overly self-involved, and most of the Californians who move to Austin that I've met are Republicans, despite what is commonly believed. And the so-called Californian Democrats are mostly not progressive, at least how I understand their politics. Most of them are neoliberals or whack-job environmentalists. I care for neither type (and I consider myself an environmentalist). But, honestly, I don't know many Californians here in Austin, even though I realize that they are out there, and that Austin is known for trying to connect with Californians in general. It's not something I truly understand.

    As for your comment on results, I think I'll let the results speak for themselves. I mentioned the Republican failures, and yet you ignored that and instead hold this economic success in Texas up on a on a flagpole as some sort of win for the Republican Party. Tell me, what were the policies that Republicans passed in order to make Texas an economic success? What is it that makes Perry such a great guy in your book?
    Continuation of the pro growth, low tax, low cost of living policies of the past. This pro growth, pro personal responsibility state is a beacon of success for the nation to follow if they choose to do so, unfortunately liberal arrogance won't let the blue states do it and therein lies the basic problem we face today, progressive arrogance and thinking only with their heart trying to spread liberal misery equally to everyone else.

    There is a reason that we have created the most jobs, have the largest population growth, attracting Fortune 500 companies and I assure you it wasn't liberalism

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Vetoing a bill isn't a crime, nice try but typical of you and still no answer to my question
    but threatening to veto funding for the public integrity unit in order to make the embattled district attorney in charge of that unit step down is a form of coercion.

    and coercion of a public official is a crime
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL Con.....no matter how many times you attempt to spin your lies....the reality smacks you right in the face. Texas and Mississippi lead the nation in the highest numbers of people working for minimum wage....a sad fact that you continue to dance and shuffle around. Does it make you proud to be in the same class as Mississippi?

    Sorry con....but the facts are out there and you can continue to deny them....but it doesn't change the facts. Sorry bub.
    No, that is a lie, they have the highest number of people making FEDERAL minimum wage, not the highest number making minimum wage, that belongs to your state. You don't seem to grasp the difference. Try living in California on the California minimum wage. You ought to know how tough that is

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    but threatening to veto funding for the public integrity unit in order to make the embattled district attorney in charge of that unit step down is a form of coercion.

    and coercion of a public official is a crime
    Nonsense. Public officials are coerced all the time. It's called the chain of command.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Did anyone else appreciate the irony of Gov. Perry saying at his press conference, "This indictment, amounts to nothing more than an abuse of power."?

    That was funny, no matter who you are.
    Rick Perry calls abuse-of-power indictment an ‘abuse of power’


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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Nonsense. Public officials are coerced all the time. It's called the chain of command.
    So Grand Juries must indict public officials all the time too then. Clearly this was different than "chain of command".

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. California also leads the nation in people.

    2. ORLY

    List of U.S. states by poverty rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    California is 35th among states in poverty rate. Texas is 46th. Using raw numbers rather than the rate here is particularly dishonest.

    3. California also leads the nation in people.

    4. Yep, Texas has 52 Fortune 500 companies. California has 54. New York has 52, same as Texas.

    Chart: States With The Most Fortune 500 Companies | CEO.com

    5. According to these BLS statistics from this year, Texas has ~223K making minimum wage, or about half the number you state are in California, despite having about 70% of the population. So it's not nearly the disparity you're making it out to be.

    Minimum Wage Workers in Texas - 2012

    You guys can have your Texas vs. California pissing match all you want, but using raw numbers rather than rates to describe how conditions are so great in Texas and so awful in California regarding poverty is ludicrously dishonest.
    Nice try, but since minimum wage is a state issue the only states reporting to BLS are those paying Federal Minimum wage. California numbers are understated and prior to July 1 that minimum wage was $8 an hour so not sure exactly what you are trying to prove but if you want TX to be like California that is called spreading liberal misery to other states.

    People want to make minimum wage a nation issue and that is totally wrong. It doesn't cost as much to live in TX as it does California, New York, Illinois or other blue states. That is something you don't seem to understand. Percentages mean absolutely nothing until you put a face on them. Put a face on the 1.6 million Californians making California minimum wage and trying to live on it. That is dishonesty and you know it.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Problem here is that Perry had issued a threat, and when carried out, constituted a felony under Texas law.
    No it doesn't. And pretty much ignores the law as written as provided earlier.



    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Perry's crime was the same as Ferguson's.
    Wrong.
    Not even close to being similar.

    Indicted by a Court for specifics, none of which include the threat or veto of funds.
    Then impeachment which included not following the law in regards to his duty as Governor to the University.
    eg: It was his duty as the Governor to insure maintenance and support of.
    Vetoing of funding was in opposition to his legal responsibilities in regards to the University. Etc...
    Which is not anything like this current bs.

    Start reading at Article 15. pg 7 of the pdf.
    http://www.lrl.state.tx.us/scanned/i...entPrepare.pdf

    Found at,
    The Impeachment of Gov. Ferguson
    Wandering Reveries: The Impeachment of Gov. Ferguson
    Read it.


    Information showing his indictment had nothing to do with his veto of funding.
    [...]

    Preliminary investigations failed to uncover any charge that would merit impeachment, and for a time the incident seemed closed. The Ferguson controversy with the university brought renewed interest in the old charges, however, and at about the same time a number of new charges were made. On July 21, 1917, in the midst of the excitement, Ferguson appeared before the Travis County grand jury, and several days later it was announced that he had been indicted on nine charges. Seven of the charges related to misapplication of public funds, one to embezzlement, and one to the diversion of a special fund. Ferguson made bond of $13,000 and announced his candidacy for a third term as governor.

    As a result of these developments, the speaker of the House called a special session to consider charges of impeachment against the governor. This call was of doubtful legality, but Ferguson removed all question by calling the legislature to meet for the purpose of making appropriations for the University of Texas. The House immediately turned its attention to the numerous charges against the governor and, after a lengthy investigation, prepared twenty-one articles of impeachment. The Senate, sitting as a High Court of Impeachment, spent three weeks considering the charges and finally convicted the governor on ten of them. Five of the articles sustained by the Senate charged Ferguson with the misapplication of public funds, three related to his quarrel with the University, one declared that he had failed properly to respect and enforce the banking laws of the state, and one charged that he had received $156,500 in currency from a source that he refused to reveal. Nine of the charges can be described as violations of the law, while the obtaining of $156,500 from a secret source was certainly not in keeping with good policy. The Court of Impeachment, by a vote of twenty-five to three, removed Ferguson from office and made him ineligible to hold any office of honor, trust, or profit under the state of Texas.

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    FERGUSON, JAMES EDWARD | The Handbook of Texas Online| Texas State Historical Association (TSHA)
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Nonsense. Public officials are coerced all the time. It's called the chain of command.
    i don't think perry can force a district attorney to step down just because the attorney got drunk and said stupid things that were caught on film.
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