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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

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    You're right. My bad.



    No, he was taking prescription meds (not aspirin) for a non-medical reason, at least according to him. Look up the facts for yourself if you don't like the implications. What was the third branch of government that he will shut down? I forgot. "Oops!" said presidential candidate Rick Perry.
    So spinal surgery is non-medical? I did not know this.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Hard to imagine how a governor violates the law when he exercises his constitutional authority as he promised he would.
    Problem here is that Perry had issued a threat, and when carried out, constituted a felony under Texas law. Perry is not the first to be indicted for this kind of behavior. In 1917, James Ferguson was indicted for vetoing the funds for the University of Texas Regents, after making the threat that if UT did not fire some specific "ethically challenged" professors, he would veto their funds. He was convicted, and resigned from office the day before his impeachment trial was to begin. In 1926, Ferguson attempted to run for Governor again, but was denied by the Texas Supreme Court, due to him being a convicted felon. So his wife ran, and she won, becoming the first woman elected to a governorship in Texas. The pair was known as Ma and Pa Ferguson. They were Democrats.

    Perry's crime was the same as Ferguson's. He ran his mouth. If Perry is convicted, he will do no time, just like Ferguson did no time, but his political career will be over. It may be over now. Hard to see him winning the 2016 nomination, with other hungry and ambitious Republican contenders tattooing this all over him.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. California also leads the nation in people.

    2. ORLY

    List of U.S. states by poverty rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    California is 35th among states in poverty rate. Texas is 46th. Using raw numbers rather than the rate here is particularly dishonest.

    3. California also leads the nation in people.

    4. Yep, Texas has 52 Fortune 500 companies. California has 54. New York has 52, same as Texas.

    Chart: States With The Most Fortune 500 Companies | CEO.com

    5. According to these BLS statistics from this year, Texas has ~223K making minimum wage, or about half the number you state are in California, despite having about 70% of the population. So it's not nearly the disparity you're making it out to be.

    Minimum Wage Workers in Texas - 2012

    You guys can have your Texas vs. California pissing match all you want, but using raw numbers rather than rates to describe how conditions are so great in Texas and so awful in California regarding poverty is ludicrously dishonest.
    Follow your Wiki link to Poverty Rate, resort the column for Supplimental Poverty Measure, which is the accepted way poverty is measured in the US today, and tell me where California ends up. You will find it dead last, behind D.C.. Spin that.

    Percentages don't have anything to do with population size.

    There is nothing dishonest about comparisons, other than to ignore the qualifiers that must be applied as it relates to income, cost of living, etc.

    For example, liberal/progressives constantly point to Prop 13 in California for all the ills the state has had to deal with. Of course they fail to take into account property taxes collected are based on property value, which is many times more than in most states.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Problem here is that Perry had issued a threat, and when carried out, constituted a felony under Texas law. Perry is not the first to be indicted for this kind of behavior. In 1917, James Ferguson was indicted for vetoing the funds for the University of Texas Regents, after making the threat that if UT did not fire some specific "ethically challenged" professors, he would veto their funds. He was convicted, and resigned from office the day before his impeachment trial was to begin. In 1926, Ferguson attempted to run for Governor again, but was denied by the Texas Supreme Court, due to him being a convicted felon. So his wife ran, and she won, becoming the first woman elected to a governorship in Texas. The pair was known as Ma and Pa Ferguson. They were Democrats.

    Perry's crime was the same as Ferguson's. He ran his mouth. If Perry is convicted, he will do no time, just like Ferguson did no time, but his political career will be over. It may be over now. Hard to see him winning the 2016 nomination, with other hungry and ambitious Republican contenders tattooing this all over him.
    Hmmm. It would make me more likely to vote for him.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So spinal surgery is non-medical? I did not know this.
    Rick Perry has a spine? I did not know this.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Never said Perry took a bribe

    I clearly posted the crimes Perry is accused of committing and posted a link to the legal code which defined the crimes. It shows that vetoing a bill for for protection from investigation is not only a crime; it is a felony for which he can receive a sentence of up to 99 years in jail
    No, you implicated that he did. A cheap backhanded implication with a cheap backdoor escape to crawl back under the rock, should anyone object to it, such as quite a few have. An attempt at guilt by implication. A favored tactic by progressives / liberals / Democrats.

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    Were you not the first to bring up the subject of a bribe? If not, fine, if so and its not relevant then why do it?
    Sangha doesn't need any sort of reason or facts to slam and falsely accuse conservatives or Republicans, same as nearly any other liberal / progressive / Democrat, speaking of which, the district attorney is a Democrat.

    I also predict that this indictment will come to naught, but don't think the prediction that it won't damage him politically will come to pass, which may be the entire reason for the indictment to be brought. With the information presently available, it's not clear, but I have a feeling that it'll come out in the wash, eventually.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Problem here is that Perry had issued a threat, and when carried out, constituted a felony under Texas law. Perry is not the first to be indicted for this kind of behavior. In 1917, James Ferguson was indicted for vetoing the funds for the University of Texas Regents, after making the threat that if UT did not fire some specific "ethically challenged" professors, he would veto their funds. He was convicted, and resigned from office the day before his impeachment trial was to begin. In 1926, Ferguson attempted to run for Governor again, but was denied by the Texas Supreme Court, due to him being a convicted felon. So his wife ran, and she won, becoming the first woman elected to a governorship in Texas. The pair was known as Ma and Pa Ferguson. They were Democrats.

    Perry's crime was the same as Ferguson's. He ran his mouth. If Perry is convicted, he will do no time, just like Ferguson did no time, but his political career will be over. It may be over now. Hard to see him winning the 2016 nomination, with other hungry and ambitious Republican contenders tattooing this all over him.
    Nonsense...But, earlier I asked you a specific question, and you either ignored it, or I missed the answer, so I'll ask again...

    You seem interested in this case with Perry, yet this:

    In an escalation of the confrontation between the United States attorney in Manhattan, Preet Bharara, and Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo over the governor’s cancellation of his own anticorruption commission, Mr. Bharara has threatened to investigate the Cuomo administration for possible obstruction of justice or witness tampering.

    The warning, in a sharply worded letter from Mr. Bharara’s office, came after several members of the panel issued public statements defending the governor’s handling of the panel, known as the Moreland Commission, which Mr. Cuomo created last year with promises of cleaning up corruption in state politics but shut down abruptly in March.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/ny...ase-.html?_r=0
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Sangha doesn't need any sort of reason or facts to slam and falsely accuse conservatives or Republicans, same as nearly any other liberal / progressive / Democrat, speaking of which, the district attorney is a Democrat.

    I also predict that this indictment will come to naught, but don't think the prediction that it won't damage him politically will come to pass, which may be the entire reason for the indictment to be brought. With the information presently available, it's not clear, but I have a feeling that it'll come out in the wash, eventually.
    There is no reason to suggest that this is some ploy that the Democratic Party came up with to damage Rick Perry's political career. His career was already done with, and everyone here in Texas knows that. This a case that implicates Rick Perry's involvement in abuse of power, pure and simple. It is not partisan politics, and it isn't "politics as usual in Texas" as some have suggested. This is about Rick Perry's use of power as Texas Governor.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Did anyone else appreciate the irony of Gov. Perry saying at his press conference, "This indictment, amounts to nothing more than an abuse of power."?

    That was funny, no matter who you are.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven1 View Post
    There is no reason to suggest that this is some ploy that the Democratic Party came up with to damage Rick Perry's political career. His career was already done with, and everyone here in Texas knows that. This a case that implicates Rick Perry's involvement in abuse of power, pure and simple. It is not partisan politics, and it isn't "politics as usual in Texas" as some have suggested. This is about Rick Perry's use of power as Texas Governor.
    You may be right. You may not be right. I reserve final judgement pending the additional information that the ensuing investigation will no doubt uncover.

    I think that the position of Perry's political career being over is at best premature.
    Convitcted of abuse of power would end it, but as of this moment, I think it premature to make that assessment.
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