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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

That is the point. He should have just cut the funding without all the resignation fanfare.

I don't agree at all, this is the person who is spending the taxpayer money. he gave her a chance to resign and rather than give her department the money for HER to spend, he vetoed the legislation. Had she done the right thing he wouldn't have vetoed the bill. But to give this person control of the taxpayer money would have been irresponsible. Such is leadership in vetoing the legislation and something you and other liberals will never understand.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The Travis County 2013 budget shows ~$17 million allocated for the District Attorney's office, and it shows that the vast majority of their revenue is from local (city/county) sources[SUP][1][/SUP].

The $7.5 million of state money that Perry vetoed was for a state-funded Public Integrity Unit, a subset of the DA's office (and I presume in addition to the ~$17 million budgeted from the county).

Beware of where you get your information, folks . . . .

However, the source of the money is irrelevant with respect to the abuse of power involved in withholding it in order to force a resignation outside of the proper lawful channels, so the gentleman's observation quoted above is a red herring intended to divert from the issue at hand.


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1. http://www.co.travis.tx.us/planning_budget/fy13/fy13_BudgetInBrief.pdf

The information is accurate, it was state money that she controlled. She had an opportunity to resign and didn't do it. The Governor exercised his authority which for some reason you just don't seem to get it. Doesn't matter for what reason, the governor has the authority to veto legislation. Does that end the discussion? NO, take a civics class.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Niether " route ' broke the law.

He has the authority to veto and has the authority to discuss his reasoning BEFORE his Veto.

This is all trumped up BS by a scunmy Liberal DA
You cannot use your authority to effect an action outside of legal channels -- to force someone to do something that they do not want to do and that they are not legally obliged to do. Perry is guilty as sin, but probably too stupid to know it.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

You cannot use your authority to effect an action outside of legal channels -- to force someone to do something that they do not want to do and that they are not legally obliged to do. Perry is guilty as sin, but probably too stupid to know it.

The governor has the right to veto legislation for whatever reason he/she sees fits and that is reality, end of discussion. Not surprising that Progressives don't get it and never will unless of course it is a liberal issue or liberal politician vetoing the legislation
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The information is accurate, it was state money that she controlled. [...]
It was state money that was vetoed, but that money does not comprise the total budget of the DA's office. You should give it up, facts have already debunked your propaganda.

She was under no legal obligation to resign. Only the courts can force you to do something that you don't want to do. Perry appointed himself as judge, jury, and executioner and unless he can rig the jury he's going to go down for it.

The DA honorably did her time in jail, next it will be time for Perry to do his.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The governor has the right to veto legislation for whatever reason he/she sees fits and that is reality, end of discussion. Not surprising that Progressives don't get it and never will unless of course it is a liberal issue or liberal politician vetoing the legislation

That's it exactly, and the media is largely responsible. Hide
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The Travis County 2013 budget shows ~$17 million allocated for the District Attorney's office, and it shows that the vast majority of their revenue is from local (city/county) sources[SUP][1][/SUP].

The $7.5 million of state money that Perry vetoed was for a state-funded Public Integrity Unit, a subset of the DA's office (and I presume in addition to the ~$17 million budgeted from the county).

Beware of where you get your information, folks . . . .

However, the source of the money is irrelevant with respect to the abuse of power involved in withholding it in order to force a resignation outside of the proper lawful channels, so the gentleman's observation quoted above is a red herring intended to divert from the issue at hand.


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1. http://www.co.travis.tx.us/planning_budget/fy13/fy13_BudgetInBrief.pdf

The Travis County DA's office " Public Integrity " office ( Cosnervative Gotcha Committee ) isn't the issue and its dishonest to imply that it is.

Perry has had years to defund that extremely Partisan organization that has a history of wasting tax payers funds on Political witch hunts against Conservatives.

But he didn't.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

But he wears dark rimmed glasses now, he must be smarter.

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(*Sarcasm*) My what insightful analysis! Do you perform a similar level of analysis and thought for all your decisions position? (/*Sarcasm*)
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Though Perry is not someone at the top of my list as a GOP presidential candidate, often governors with good records are prime choices. Certainly more so than a House or Senate member. As soon as Christy started testing the waters, he was embroiled in a scandal flamed by the media and nothing much came from the piling on of accusations. But they did take their toll. Same with Bobby Jindal governor of Louisiana. As soon as rumors of a presidential run started floating, the hit pieces came out dissecting every word the man uttered. The same happened to Scott Walker of Wisconsin and now Perry. It is my opinion that the presidential campaign will officially start right after the midterm elections in November where Democrats are going to be handed their arses on a plate and they know it. They just don't know how badly it will be. There is a consorted effort to muddy any potential candidate leading up to this time. There is talk that John Kasich of Ohio may throw his hat into the ring this presidential election. If he does, mark my words there will be an effort to negatively depict him in the media. When the media keeps reporting nightly on news broadcasts toward any GOP governor using words like indicted, under investigation, or even trumped up accusations it is to muddy them and make them less appealing to voters. And if they seem to like a GOP candidate, showing special favor to him it is generally one that they know the Democrat can beat. That's how the game is played. Hello McCain. We really don't have a media we can trust to give us the facts anymore. They sure as heck didn't do their job in vetting Obama. Why would they? They have become an arm of the Democratic party. And any cable news source that dares to question the Democratic party is painted as extreme right wing news sources that should not be trusted. I was glad to see Perry fire back. There were a number of things that happened this past week that I was pleased to see. One was to see the media be embarrassed in their coverage of Ferguson Missouri egging on this racist divide painting a white cop as a killer and a black man as innocent which left egg all over the MSM's faces as facts in the case emerged. I was also pleased after years of the media depicting the Tea Party as morons, to finally find a federal judge hold the IRS accountable for targeting such groups at the request of Democrats in the House, Senate and evidence this consorting of efforts reached well into the White House. You want to talk abuse of powers?, that's a damn good place to start.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

That is the point. He should have just cut the funding without all the resignation fanfare.
Exactly. At least he would have plausible deniability. I'm not really surprised that Perry is too dumb to know that, but rather shocked that his aides let him shoot his mouth off like that. As it stands he has no credible defense whatsoever.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

You cannot use your authority to effect an action outside of legal channels -- to force someone to do something that they do not want to do and that they are not legally obliged to do. Perry is guilty as sin, but probably too stupid to know it.


Wow, if he's " stupid " what's that make Jerry Brown ?

He's the Governor of a State thats up to its eyeballs in debt and dependant citizens on Welfare

He cant even figure out how to keep his tax base from moving to.....Texas.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Exactly. At least he would have plausible deniability. I'm not really surprised that Perry is too dumb to know that, but rather shocked that his aides let him shoot his mouth off like that. As it stands he has no credible defense whatsoever.


He's the Governor of a State that leads the Nation in job creation.

And thats jobs accross ALL income levels.

Not even Obama can figure out how to run a economy.

Whats that make him ?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Moderator's Warning:
This thread is about Rick Perry. If you're not going to discuss the topic at hand, you will be gigged, kicked out of the thread or both. Stick to the topic.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

[...] Whats that make him[Perry]?

After his trial, an inmate :lamo
 
After his trial, an inmate :lamo


You liberals have some credibility issues. Especially when it comes to calling Conservatives ( or ANYONE for that matter ) stupid.

The insult of " Stupidity " loses its effectiveness just a bit when it comes from the same people that equated empty plattitudes and bumper sticker slogans to Presidential qualifications in 2008 and 2012.

I mean you people put down Bush for 8 years for his alleged lack of intelligence, and then you elect a guy based on media propaganda and nothing else.

You declare to the world how easilly manipulated you are, how gullible you are and then you have the nerve to criticize someone else's intelligence

You get what I'm saying.

People like you insults Perry's intelligence and then go off and elect someone like Jerry Brown, or Andrew Cuomo, or Sheila Jackson Lee.

Its hilarious !

Glass houses
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

It was state money that was vetoed, but that money does not comprise the total budget of the DA's office. You should give it up, facts have already debunked your propaganda.

She was under no legal obligation to resign. Only the courts can force you to do something that you don't want to do. Perry appointed himself as judge, jury, and executioner and unless he can rig the jury he's going to go down for it.

The DA honorably did her time in jail, next it will be time for Perry to do his.

So it was state money that was vetoed? thanks for proving my point. The justification for the veto although none is needed was the actions of the D.A. that controls that money when it is released.

Aw, yes, the double standards, Perry is guilty because he didn't violate his authority as governor. You just don't seem to get it. Wish I could type slower for you. The governor of this state or any other doesn't need a reason to veto legislation and can do it for any reason. You really should take a civics class. The vetoing of a piece of legislation can be overridden by the Legislature.

Of course she was under no legal obligation to resign nor what Perry under any legal obligation to not veto the legislation. That is the bottom line which you don't seem to be able to comprehend.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The information is accurate, it was state money that she controlled. She had an opportunity to resign and didn't do it. The Governor exercised his authority which for some reason you just don't seem to get it. Doesn't matter for what reason, the governor has the authority to veto legislation. Does that end the discussion? NO, take a civics class.

It's not the Governor's job to force the DA to resign. If you are so concerned, start a recall petition to have her removed from office! Of course the only reason you give a damn is because you are defending a fellow republican.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The Travis County DA's office " Public Integrity " office ( Cosnervative Gotcha Committee ) isn't the issue and its dishonest to imply that it is.

Perry has had years to defund that extremely Partisan organization that has a history of wasting tax payers funds on Political witch hunts against Conservatives.

But he didn't.

Right, he waited for this opportunity and if he could control his big mouth, he might have gotten away with this partisan BS the republicans are famous for.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

It's not the Governor's job to force the DA to resign. If you are so concerned, start a recall petition to have her removed from office! Of course the only reason you give a damn is because you are defending a fellow republican.

It is the Governor's responsibility to be prudent with taxpayer money and he didn't want to release taxpayer money to an irresponsible DA to spend it. He didn't force her to resign he cut off part of her budget which is well within his authority to do. You seem to have a comprehension problem and want to make this totally personal. Perry didn't violate any state law and will be fully acquitted. No court is going to take that state Constitutional authority away from any governor. That is for the people of the state to do
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

It is the Governor's responsibility to be prudent with taxpayer money and he didn't want to release taxpayer money to an irresponsible DA to spend it. He didn't force her to resign he cut off part of her budget which is well within his authority to do. You seem to have a comprehension problem and want to make this totally personal. Perry didn't violate any state law and will be fully acquitted. No court is going to take that state Constitutional authority away from any governor. That is for the people of the state to do

As usual with you it's BS! The only funding Perry shut off was money used to investigate corruption. It looks like Perry was attempting to cover his own ass, something Nixon taught you republicans well.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Bottom line, however, is that government leaders use the power of the purse to get things done - always have, always will. Better line them all up and start the parade to the courts.
Th GJ has asserted that certain elements of what happened distinguish this affair form run of the mill veto anduse of the purse strings.
Do you know what those distinguishing attributes are?
As I have stated in this thread many times, the bottom line is that any Governor has the right to exercise his veto authority on any piece of legislation for any reason thus end of discussion.
Well, to be fair, that just the opinion of some guy on the internet. why should we give your opinion any weight? To make your case you should use Texas law and the information contained in the indictment. Otherwise, you're not actually debating, you're just gainsaying the GJ.
:shrug:

The Travis County DA, is arrested for DUI, That send a good message, it's ok for the highest law enforcement person
in the county to break the law.
She was arrested and sentenced to do time.
Imho, when we say that certain acts will cause you to do time, that is a message of discouragement.
In your opinion, sending someone to jail for an act sends the message that that act is "ok"?
Dayum.
What do we have to do for you to understand that a message is a message of discouragement?
Public beheadings?
Slaughter their family and sell their children into slavery?

...Perry has legal control over where monies for special law enforcement projects go.
Apparently not because he had to use a veto against what the Texas legislature had approved instead of merely changing the budget of the "special law enforcement project".

He tells her, if she does not resign, her department will not receive the funding. (this is not a threat, but a statement)
You might ought to spend some time reading up on equivocation..
Or maybe not. You seem quite apt to use it. Perhaps you're already well-versed.

How can anybody think that Lehmberg is fit to over see the Public Integrity Unit?
Well they are Texans, the GJ who failed to indict Lehmberg over her arrest and conviction.
Texans may hold a different view of getting drunk and acting a fool than you are I do.


The reason the Democrats get away with this is there is NO reprisal from the Republicans. If they don't want this crap to happen to them then they need start returning the favor in spades and do it with gusto. Put a couple of Democrat heads on sticks and tell the Democrats if they wish to continue down the road of political destruction by indictment they will be happy to oblige them.
You're new to Texas politics, yes?

What's puzzling is why Democrats would support this behavior. It seems a (D) after a name is more important than the character and substance of the candidate.
It's also puzzling why you think anyone is endorsing Lehmberg's obnoxious drunken bender.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

As usual with you it's BS! The only funding Perry shut off was money used to investigate corruption. It looks like Perry was attempting to cover his own ass, something Nixon taught you republicans well.

Doesn't matter what his reason, he has the authority to do that and the Legislature has the authority to override his veto. Take a civics class.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Doesn't matter what his reason, he has the authority to do that and the Legislature has the authority to override his veto. Take a civics class.

You're funny. :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Well, to be fair, that just the opinion of some guy on the internet. why should we give your opinion any weight? To make your case you should use Texas law and the information contained in the indictment. Otherwise, you're not actually debating, you're just gainsaying the GJ.

Very simple, my statement was factually correct. There doesn't need to be a reason for a Governor to veto legislation. Sorry, but that is a fact and up to the citizens of the state to change it. Many want to make their own changes to the state Constitution and because Perry is a Republican have him convicted.

You see the problem in this country is blind partisanship where 43% of the people will vote for the Democrat regardless of qualifications and regardless of any indiscretions including probably committing a crime in public and seen on TV. 26% will do the same for a Republican. We are seeing here who belongs to that 43%
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Well, to be fair, that just the opinion of some guy on the internet. why should we give your opinion any weight? To make your case you should use Texas law and the information contained in the indictment. Otherwise, you're not actually debating, you're just gainsaying the GJ.

Very simple, my statement was factually correct. There doesn't need to be a reason for a Governor to veto legislation. Sorry, but that is a fact and up to the citizens of the state to change it. Many want to make their own changes to the state Constitution and because Perry is a Republican have him convicted.

You see the problem in this country is blind partisanship where 43% of the people will vote for the Democrat regardless of qualifications and regardless of any indiscretions including probably committing a crime in public and seen on TV. 26% will do the same for a Republican. We are seeing here who belongs to that 43%
 
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