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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

You're right. My bad.



No, he was taking prescription meds (not aspirin) for a non-medical reason, at least according to him. Look up the facts for yourself if you don't like the implications. What was the third branch of government that he will shut down? I forgot. "Oops!" said presidential candidate Rick Perry.

So spinal surgery is non-medical? I did not know this.
 
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Hard to imagine how a governor violates the law when he exercises his constitutional authority as he promised he would.:peace

Problem here is that Perry had issued a threat, and when carried out, constituted a felony under Texas law. Perry is not the first to be indicted for this kind of behavior. In 1917, James Ferguson was indicted for vetoing the funds for the University of Texas Regents, after making the threat that if UT did not fire some specific "ethically challenged" professors, he would veto their funds. He was convicted, and resigned from office the day before his impeachment trial was to begin. In 1926, Ferguson attempted to run for Governor again, but was denied by the Texas Supreme Court, due to him being a convicted felon. So his wife ran, and she won, becoming the first woman elected to a governorship in Texas. The pair was known as Ma and Pa Ferguson. They were Democrats.

Perry's crime was the same as Ferguson's. He ran his mouth. If Perry is convicted, he will do no time, just like Ferguson did no time, but his political career will be over. It may be over now. Hard to see him winning the 2016 nomination, with other hungry and ambitious Republican contenders tattooing this all over him.
 
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1. California also leads the nation in people.

2. ORLY

List of U.S. states by poverty rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

California is 35th among states in poverty rate. Texas is 46th. Using raw numbers rather than the rate here is particularly dishonest.

3. California also leads the nation in people.

4. Yep, Texas has 52 Fortune 500 companies. California has 54. New York has 52, same as Texas.

Chart: States With The Most Fortune 500 Companies | CEO.com

5. According to these BLS statistics from this year, Texas has ~223K making minimum wage, or about half the number you state are in California, despite having about 70% of the population. So it's not nearly the disparity you're making it out to be.

Minimum Wage Workers in Texas - 2012

You guys can have your Texas vs. California pissing match all you want, but using raw numbers rather than rates to describe how conditions are so great in Texas and so awful in California regarding poverty is ludicrously dishonest.

Follow your Wiki link to Poverty Rate, resort the column for Supplimental Poverty Measure, which is the accepted way poverty is measured in the US today, and tell me where California ends up. You will find it dead last, behind D.C.. Spin that.

Percentages don't have anything to do with population size.

There is nothing dishonest about comparisons, other than to ignore the qualifiers that must be applied as it relates to income, cost of living, etc.

For example, liberal/progressives constantly point to Prop 13 in California for all the ills the state has had to deal with. Of course they fail to take into account property taxes collected are based on property value, which is many times more than in most states.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Problem here is that Perry had issued a threat, and when carried out, constituted a felony under Texas law. Perry is not the first to be indicted for this kind of behavior. In 1917, James Ferguson was indicted for vetoing the funds for the University of Texas Regents, after making the threat that if UT did not fire some specific "ethically challenged" professors, he would veto their funds. He was convicted, and resigned from office the day before his impeachment trial was to begin. In 1926, Ferguson attempted to run for Governor again, but was denied by the Texas Supreme Court, due to him being a convicted felon. So his wife ran, and she won, becoming the first woman elected to a governorship in Texas. The pair was known as Ma and Pa Ferguson. They were Democrats.

Perry's crime was the same as Ferguson's. He ran his mouth. If Perry is convicted, he will do no time, just like Ferguson did no time, but his political career will be over. It may be over now. Hard to see him winning the 2016 nomination, with other hungry and ambitious Republican contenders tattooing this all over him.

Hmmm. It would make me more likely to vote for him.:peace
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

So spinal surgery is non-medical? I did not know this.

Rick Perry has a spine? I did not know this.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Never said Perry took a bribe

I clearly posted the crimes Perry is accused of committing and posted a link to the legal code which defined the crimes. It shows that vetoing a bill for for protection from investigation is not only a crime; it is a felony for which he can receive a sentence of up to 99 years in jail

No, you implicated that he did. A cheap backhanded implication with a cheap backdoor escape to crawl back under the rock, should anyone object to it, such as quite a few have. An attempt at guilt by implication. A favored tactic by progressives / liberals / Democrats.

Were you not the first to bring up the subject of a bribe? If not, fine, if so and its not relevant then why do it?

Sangha doesn't need any sort of reason or facts to slam and falsely accuse conservatives or Republicans, same as nearly any other liberal / progressive / Democrat, speaking of which, the district attorney is a Democrat.

I also predict that this indictment will come to naught, but don't think the prediction that it won't damage him politically will come to pass, which may be the entire reason for the indictment to be brought. With the information presently available, it's not clear, but I have a feeling that it'll come out in the wash, eventually.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Problem here is that Perry had issued a threat, and when carried out, constituted a felony under Texas law. Perry is not the first to be indicted for this kind of behavior. In 1917, James Ferguson was indicted for vetoing the funds for the University of Texas Regents, after making the threat that if UT did not fire some specific "ethically challenged" professors, he would veto their funds. He was convicted, and resigned from office the day before his impeachment trial was to begin. In 1926, Ferguson attempted to run for Governor again, but was denied by the Texas Supreme Court, due to him being a convicted felon. So his wife ran, and she won, becoming the first woman elected to a governorship in Texas. The pair was known as Ma and Pa Ferguson. They were Democrats.

Perry's crime was the same as Ferguson's. He ran his mouth. If Perry is convicted, he will do no time, just like Ferguson did no time, but his political career will be over. It may be over now. Hard to see him winning the 2016 nomination, with other hungry and ambitious Republican contenders tattooing this all over him.

Nonsense...But, earlier I asked you a specific question, and you either ignored it, or I missed the answer, so I'll ask again...

You seem interested in this case with Perry, yet this:

In an escalation of the confrontation between the United States attorney in Manhattan, Preet Bharara, and Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo over the governor’s cancellation of his own anticorruption commission, Mr. Bharara has threatened to investigate the Cuomo administration for possible obstruction of justice or witness tampering.

The warning, in a sharply worded letter from Mr. Bharara’s office, came after several members of the panel issued public statements defending the governor’s handling of the panel, known as the Moreland Commission, which Mr. Cuomo created last year with promises of cleaning up corruption in state politics but shut down abruptly in March.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/nyregion/us-attorney-warns-cuomo-on-ethics-case-.html?_r=0

And nothing from you....Why?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Sangha doesn't need any sort of reason or facts to slam and falsely accuse conservatives or Republicans, same as nearly any other liberal / progressive / Democrat, speaking of which, the district attorney is a Democrat.

I also predict that this indictment will come to naught, but don't think the prediction that it won't damage him politically will come to pass, which may be the entire reason for the indictment to be brought. With the information presently available, it's not clear, but I have a feeling that it'll come out in the wash, eventually.

There is no reason to suggest that this is some ploy that the Democratic Party came up with to damage Rick Perry's political career. His career was already done with, and everyone here in Texas knows that. This a case that implicates Rick Perry's involvement in abuse of power, pure and simple. It is not partisan politics, and it isn't "politics as usual in Texas" as some have suggested. This is about Rick Perry's use of power as Texas Governor.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Did anyone else appreciate the irony of Gov. Perry saying at his press conference, "This indictment, amounts to nothing more than an abuse of power."?

That was funny, no matter who you are.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

There is no reason to suggest that this is some ploy that the Democratic Party came up with to damage Rick Perry's political career. His career was already done with, and everyone here in Texas knows that. This a case that implicates Rick Perry's involvement in abuse of power, pure and simple. It is not partisan politics, and it isn't "politics as usual in Texas" as some have suggested. This is about Rick Perry's use of power as Texas Governor.

You may be right. You may not be right. I reserve final judgement pending the additional information that the ensuing investigation will no doubt uncover.

I think that the position of Perry's political career being over is at best premature.
Convitcted of abuse of power would end it, but as of this moment, I think it premature to make that assessment.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

So you admit that a Governor can be committing a crime by vetoing a bill.

Now you know why Perry has been indicted.

Vetoing a bill isn't a crime, nice try but typical of you and still no answer to my question
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I may get frowny faces for saying this, and I have a lot of family in California, but I don't like Californians. They are overly self-involved, and most of the Californians who move to Austin that I've met are Republicans, despite what is commonly believed. And the so-called Californian Democrats are mostly not progressive, at least how I understand their politics. Most of them are neoliberals or whack-job environmentalists. I care for neither type (and I consider myself an environmentalist). But, honestly, I don't know many Californians here in Austin, even though I realize that they are out there, and that Austin is known for trying to connect with Californians in general. It's not something I truly understand.

As for your comment on results, I think I'll let the results speak for themselves. I mentioned the Republican failures, and yet you ignored that and instead hold this economic success in Texas up on a on a flagpole as some sort of win for the Republican Party. Tell me, what were the policies that Republicans passed in order to make Texas an economic success? What is it that makes Perry such a great guy in your book?

Continuation of the pro growth, low tax, low cost of living policies of the past. This pro growth, pro personal responsibility state is a beacon of success for the nation to follow if they choose to do so, unfortunately liberal arrogance won't let the blue states do it and therein lies the basic problem we face today, progressive arrogance and thinking only with their heart trying to spread liberal misery equally to everyone else.

There is a reason that we have created the most jobs, have the largest population growth, attracting Fortune 500 companies and I assure you it wasn't liberalism
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Vetoing a bill isn't a crime, nice try but typical of you and still no answer to my question

but threatening to veto funding for the public integrity unit in order to make the embattled district attorney in charge of that unit step down is a form of coercion.

and coercion of a public official is a crime
 
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LOL Con.....no matter how many times you attempt to spin your lies....the reality smacks you right in the face. Texas and Mississippi lead the nation in the highest numbers of people working for minimum wage....a sad fact that you continue to dance and shuffle around. Does it make you proud to be in the same class as Mississippi?

Sorry con....but the facts are out there and you can continue to deny them....but it doesn't change the facts. Sorry bub.

No, that is a lie, they have the highest number of people making FEDERAL minimum wage, not the highest number making minimum wage, that belongs to your state. You don't seem to grasp the difference. Try living in California on the California minimum wage. You ought to know how tough that is
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

but threatening to veto funding for the public integrity unit in order to make the embattled district attorney in charge of that unit step down is a form of coercion.

and coercion of a public official is a crime

Nonsense. Public officials are coerced all the time. It's called the chain of command.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Nonsense. Public officials are coerced all the time. It's called the chain of command.

So Grand Juries must indict public officials all the time too then. Clearly this was different than "chain of command".
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

1. California also leads the nation in people.

2. ORLY

List of U.S. states by poverty rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

California is 35th among states in poverty rate. Texas is 46th. Using raw numbers rather than the rate here is particularly dishonest.

3. California also leads the nation in people.

4. Yep, Texas has 52 Fortune 500 companies. California has 54. New York has 52, same as Texas.

Chart: States With The Most Fortune 500 Companies | CEO.com

5. According to these BLS statistics from this year, Texas has ~223K making minimum wage, or about half the number you state are in California, despite having about 70% of the population. So it's not nearly the disparity you're making it out to be.

Minimum Wage Workers in Texas - 2012

You guys can have your Texas vs. California pissing match all you want, but using raw numbers rather than rates to describe how conditions are so great in Texas and so awful in California regarding poverty is ludicrously dishonest.

Nice try, but since minimum wage is a state issue the only states reporting to BLS are those paying Federal Minimum wage. California numbers are understated and prior to July 1 that minimum wage was $8 an hour so not sure exactly what you are trying to prove but if you want TX to be like California that is called spreading liberal misery to other states.

People want to make minimum wage a nation issue and that is totally wrong. It doesn't cost as much to live in TX as it does California, New York, Illinois or other blue states. That is something you don't seem to understand. Percentages mean absolutely nothing until you put a face on them. Put a face on the 1.6 million Californians making California minimum wage and trying to live on it. That is dishonesty and you know it.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Problem here is that Perry had issued a threat, and when carried out, constituted a felony under Texas law.
No it doesn't. And pretty much ignores the law as written as provided earlier.



Perry's crime was the same as Ferguson's.
Wrong.
Not even close to being similar.

Indicted by a Court for specifics, none of which include the threat or veto of funds.
Then impeachment which included not following the law in regards to his duty as Governor to the University.
eg: It was his duty as the Governor to insure maintenance and support of.
Vetoing of funding was in opposition to his legal responsibilities in regards to the University. Etc...
Which is not anything like this current bs.

Start reading at Article 15. pg 7 of the pdf.
http://www.lrl.state.tx.us/scanned/interim/35/35-2_H_FergusonImpeachmentPrepare.pdf

Found at,
The Impeachment of Gov. Ferguson
Wandering Reveries: The Impeachment of Gov. Ferguson
Read it.


Information showing his indictment had nothing to do with his veto of funding.
[...]

Preliminary investigations failed to uncover any charge that would merit impeachment, and for a time the incident seemed closed. The Ferguson controversy with the university brought renewed interest in the old charges, however, and at about the same time a number of new charges were made. On July 21, 1917, in the midst of the excitement, Ferguson appeared before the Travis County grand jury, and several days later it was announced that he had been indicted on nine charges. Seven of the charges related to misapplication of public funds, one to embezzlement, and one to the diversion of a special fund. Ferguson made bond of $13,000 and announced his candidacy for a third term as governor.

As a result of these developments, the speaker of the House called a special session to consider charges of impeachment against the governor. This call was of doubtful legality, but Ferguson removed all question by calling the legislature to meet for the purpose of making appropriations for the University of Texas. The House immediately turned its attention to the numerous charges against the governor and, after a lengthy investigation, prepared twenty-one articles of impeachment. The Senate, sitting as a High Court of Impeachment, spent three weeks considering the charges and finally convicted the governor on ten of them. Five of the articles sustained by the Senate charged Ferguson with the misapplication of public funds, three related to his quarrel with the University, one declared that he had failed properly to respect and enforce the banking laws of the state, and one charged that he had received $156,500 in currency from a source that he refused to reveal. Nine of the charges can be described as violations of the law, while the obtaining of $156,500 from a secret source was certainly not in keeping with good policy. The Court of Impeachment, by a vote of twenty-five to three, removed Ferguson from office and made him ineligible to hold any office of honor, trust, or profit under the state of Texas.

[...]
FERGUSON, JAMES EDWARD | The Handbook of Texas Online| Texas State Historical Association (TSHA)
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Nonsense. Public officials are coerced all the time. It's called the chain of command.

i don't think perry can force a district attorney to step down just because the attorney got drunk and said stupid things that were caught on film.
 
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California has what, the 6th largest GDP in the world? I'm going from memory, and I'm being lazy, but I certainly wouldn't bash California's economy. It's definitely a productive state, and while many think of the Great Plains as being the world's breadbasket, California certainly puts out more food than any state in the Great Plains.

California had the 8th largest economy and TX the 11th. TX is required to balance the budget whereas California isn't thus California has billions in long term debt. I don't think that is something to trumpet
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

So Grand Juries must indict public officials all the time too then. Clearly this was different than "chain of command".

The point is that coercion of public officials is not a crime. It's the job of other public officials.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

i don't think perry can force a district attorney to step down just because the attorney got drunk and said stupid things that were caught on film.

I didn't say he could.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I didn't say he could.

so perry tried to use the threat of denying funding to the public integrity department that the district attorney was in charge of in order to get her to step down.
 
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