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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Saying that the governor has the authority to veto is not an answer to the charge that the governor used the threat of a veto illegally.

    Is there anyway in which a threat of a veto could be used illegally?

    If so, if there is a way that a veto threat could be used illegally, then to form a full and actual answer to the charge that the governor used the treat of a veto illegally it would be necessary to also establish that Perry's veto threat was not used illegally.

    What if I were a governor and I issued a threat to veto legislation unless someone consented to sexual advances?
    Would that be a legal use of a veto threat?
    If not, if there is any way in which a veto threat could be used illegally, then the reply that you have provided does not go far enough.

    The fact that Perry threatened to use his veto power is generally established already.
    It's also established that vetoes are a power of that executive office.
    That's also a given.

    The allegation is that Perry used the threat of a veto in an illegal manner--a manner which comports to the specifics of the laws cited in the indictment.


    And Crum is a puppet of the dems?
    If so, you can tell this because...?
    Sorry but Veto for sexual favors is different from Veto because a lost of faith in office when the person in charge of said office broke the law.

    When Perry wins his cause or get's it dismiss, do I have permission to laugh at you.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Sorry but Veto for sexual favors is different from Veto because a lost of faith in office when the person in charge of said office broke the law.
    Of course it's quite different.
    No one was saying that they were the same.

    I'll go slower.


    Is there any way in which a threat of a veto could be used illegally?


    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    When Perry wins his cause or get's it dismiss, do I have permission to laugh at you.
    No. I will prevent you from doing so with my invisible mind-control rays that cannot penetrate aluminum foil.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    accept when no law has been broken and it is a person using the courts for political revenge.
    That will happen. But it is hard to avoid and better than allowing politicians to take license.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That will happen. But it is hard to avoid and better than allowing politicians to take license.
    Sadly, we sometimes have to make choices among evils and choose the least of them.
    I also think that as a default it's better to err on the side of holding politicians too accountable rather than not accountable enough.
    Obviously each situation has to be evaluated on its own merits, but the default rule of thumb is that politicians should be too accountable rather than not accountable enough.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh really? You think an "ideology" is a tangible thing? You can touch it? see it? arrest it? [...]
    You certainly seem to embrace it

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I don't see how this can possibly fly. From the report it seems the only thing he did is say "I'm going to veto funding is you pass it" which, to the best of my knowledge, is perfectly legal and done pretty damned regularly across the nation as well as in DC.

    It's fascinating that an ethics complaint was filed against a guy who followed the law while the bitch that got wasted, got busted driving drunk and abused her authority is, apparently, fine and dandy with the Democrats. I mean, I could see that in Massachusetts Democrats but I'm kind of surprised to see it in Texas.
    The legal issue is quid pro quo -- that as punishment for not resigning the gov was going to use his official power in a prohibited way. In this case, it is abuse of power and coercing a public official. This is illegal in Texas.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    The legal issue is quid pro quo -- that as punishment for not resigning the gov was going to use his official power in a prohibited way. In this case, it is abuse of power and coercing a public official. This is illegal in Texas.
    Very few of us seem to be able to read the indictment and find how this veto threat differs from other veto threats.
    This is greatly inhibiting debate over this issue.
    imho
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Very few of us seem to be able to read the indictment and find how this veto threat differs from other veto threats.
    This is greatly inhibiting debate over this issue.
    imho
    It is said that things are difficult to understand when one is invested in not understanding.

    Rick Perry is charged with one count of abuse of official capacity -- a first-degree felony (that's 5 to 99 years in prison) when the amount of government property misused is over $200,000 (as is alleged here), and one count of coercion of a public servant, a third-degree felony (2 to 10 years.)

    The basis for the allegations stemmed out of Travis County DA Rosemary Lehmberg's drunk-driving arrest back in April 2013. Lehmberg plead guilty and was sentenced to jail time and a fine. Rick Perry demanded that she resign, and threaten to withhold funding from the Public Integrity Unit -- a division of the Travis County DA's office that is charged with investigating and prosecuting state officials and lawmakers -- if she did not resign. She did not resign, and Perry followed up by vetoing state funding for the unit.

    Perry didn't demand a resignation from former Cameron County DA Armando Villalobos, who was taking payola. Lehmberg's office is in charge of investigating ethics violations by state officials and lawmakers. Were Lehmberg to resign, Perry would be allowed to appoint a replacement to serve until the next regularly-scheduled election. It sure looks as if Lehmberg was, in her official capacity, investigating people Perry didn't want investigated. Using Perry's veto threat to coerce a resignation is improper and may also be obstruction of justice.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That begs the question "Is it beneficial to the govt for an officeholder to use governmental powers to undo the results of an election because he doesn't like the winner?"
    Good question, wrong situation. That's not what he's doing.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    The legal issue is quid pro quo -- that as punishment for not resigning the gov was going to use his official power in a prohibited way. In this case, it is abuse of power and coercing a public official. This is illegal in Texas.

    Where is the personal harm done to the DA? Does she still have her job? Was Perry under any kind of investigation by the ethics department? This is typical of you. You want it to be so therefore it is so.

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