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ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

Are you subtlety accusing American citizens who are pointing out failed US policies in the ME, of wishing to harm America?

As I said, I am never quite sure. You see, the disclosures of what NSA was doing internationally was quite legitimate and not at all a "failed" policy. When people go running around praising Snowden, the people out there interpret that form their understanding as support of their politics. Russia has gained considerably from this discussion relative to the US and this will be very expensive too the citizens of the US. And as I say, watch RT. They are very clever. They know Americans will say things that are okay if everyone knows the context. Outside the domestic pattern of understanding, however, the things have a very different meaning and make the US appear criminal, when it is fully okay, what it was doing, if the context is understood.This does damage. These people do very real damage.
 
As I said, I am never quite sure. You see, the disclosures of what NSA was doing internationally was quite legitimate and not at all a "failed" policy. When people go running around praising Snowden, the people out there interpret that form their understanding as support of their politics. Russia has gained considerably from this discussion relative to the US and this will be very expensive too the citizens of the US. And as I say, watch RT. They are very clever. They know Americans will say things that are okay if everyone knows the context. Outside the domestic pattern of understanding, however, the things have a very different meaning and make the US appear criminal, when it is fully okay, what it was doing, if the context is understood.This does damage. These people do very real damage.

I think that's a 'yes'!!!!
 
It is rather a mess out there right now and we cannot really rely on reports from the field. Essentially it is the same problem as on any battlefield. The fogs are dense.


Well.....when the Kurds say they are moving towards them again and need heavy weapons. I tend to go with what they are saying. As they have to try and get in range to take out any of the Terrorists.

Moreover.....the Iraqis themselves say they will have an Army on the ground to engage. Can't take them out by droning and by Air. Of course the Iraqis do have to do more than just talk.
 
Well perhaps Obama lies again.

President Obama announced Thursday that U.S.-led airstrikes have broken the siege by Islamic militants against religious minorities who were trapped on a mountain in northern Iraq -- but made clear the U.S. mission in the region is not over yet.

Obama says militant siege broken

Morning bud!




Yep.....as usual he lied and didn't know what he was talking about. His usual!


Kurds fight to retake Iraq's largest dam after 'massacre'

Kurdish forces backed by US warplanes battled on Saturday to retake Iraq's largest dam from jihadist fighters, a day after militants carried out a "massacre" of dozens of villagers. Buoyed by the air strikes US President Barack Obama ordered last week, the peshmerga fighters have tried to claw back the ground they lost since the start of August.

Senior Kurdish official Hoshyar Zebari said that in the village of Kocho, jihadists on Friday "took their revenge on its inhabitants, who happened to be mostly Yazidis who did not flee their homes". Zebari put the toll at around 80 people killed in Kocho, while a senior official of one of Iraq's main Kurdish parties said 81 people had lost their lives, and a Yazidi activist said the death toll could be even higher. The village lies near the northwestern town of Sinjar, which the jihadists stormed on August 3, sending tens of thousands of civilians, many of them Yazidi Kurds, fleeing onto Mount Sinjar to the north.....snip~

Kurds fight to retake Iraq's largest dam after 'massacre'


That's Friday and Saturday.....then there is today as well. All after BO took some Kudos for his strikes that only slowed them down for a minute.
 
Yep.....as usual he lied and didn't know what he was talking about. His usual!


Kurds fight to retake Iraq's largest dam after 'massacre'

Kurdish forces backed by US warplanes battled on Saturday to retake Iraq's largest dam from jihadist fighters, a day after militants carried out a "massacre" of dozens of villagers. Buoyed by the air strikes US President Barack Obama ordered last week, the peshmerga fighters have tried to claw back the ground they lost since the start of August.

Senior Kurdish official Hoshyar Zebari said that in the village of Kocho, jihadists on Friday "took their revenge on its inhabitants, who happened to be mostly Yazidis who did not flee their homes". Zebari put the toll at around 80 people killed in Kocho, while a senior official of one of Iraq's main Kurdish parties said 81 people had lost their lives, and a Yazidi activist said the death toll could be even higher. The village lies near the northwestern town of Sinjar, which the jihadists stormed on August 3, sending tens of thousands of civilians, many of them Yazidi Kurds, fleeing onto Mount Sinjar to the north.....snip~

Kurds fight to retake Iraq's largest dam after 'massacre'


That's Friday and Saturday.....then there is today as well. All after BO took some Kudos for his strikes that only slowed them down for a minute.

As you well know, I'm quite disgusted with the whole mess, and consider it reprehensible that our ME policies are causing the very things that so many people want us to go fight. I presume that Obama's airstrikes are being criticised by people who would prefer we put boots on the ground again and get all bogged down again with more wasted blood and treasure. Damn it man, when are we going to stop being part of the problem and become part of the solution, a generic and rhetorical question not necessarily intended for you to answer, MMC.
 
As you well know, I'm quite disgusted with the whole mess, and consider it reprehensible that our ME policies are causing the very things that so many people want us to go fight. I presume that Obama's airstrikes are being criticised by people who would prefer we put boots on the ground again and get all bogged down again with more wasted blood and treasure. Damn it man, when are we going to stop being part of the problem and become part of the solution, a generic and rhetorical question not necessarily intended for you to answer, MMC.


No, most military strategists said that his Air-Strikes will have little effect. You can read Jane or Stratfor. They said it takes an Army on the ground to take these guys out. They didn't say specifically the US.

Also all the Terrorists have to do is take out the dam.....and then things really amp-up then.
 
No, most military strategists said that his Air-Strikes will have little effect. You can read Jane or Stratfor. They said it takes an Army on the ground to take these guys out. They didn't say specifically the US.

Also all the Terrorists have to do is take out the dam.....and then things really amp-up then.

I hope you didn't mistake my points for support of the airstrikes!? And I hope you didn't ignore my main complaint.
 
I hope you didn't mistake my points for support of the airstrikes!? And I hope you didn't ignore my main complaint.


Yeah, there should be support for Airstrikes and from everybody.....don't forget they were talking strategy. Meaning it wont stop them until there is an Army in front of them.

Not that.....every little bit wouldn't help.

That's how they got the Majority of the Christians out. It was the Kurds in Syria that cleared a path to let them out that way. Not back into Iraq where the press is on.
 
Yeah, there should be support for Airstrikes and from everybody.....don't forget they were talking strategy. Meaning it wont stop them until there is an Army in front of them.

Not that.....every little bit wouldn't help.

That's how they got the Majority of the Christians out. It was the Kurds in Syria that cleared a path to let them out that way. Not back into Iraq where the press is on.

"Everybody" will never support the airstrikes, nor much of our incompetent policies in the ME.
 
Yeah, there should be support for Airstrikes and from everybody.....don't forget they were talking strategy. Meaning it wont stop them until there is an Army in front of them.

Not that.....every little bit wouldn't help.

That's how they got the Majority of the Christians out. It was the Kurds in Syria that cleared a path to let them out that way. Not back into Iraq where the press is on.

Much bravery shown by the Kurds! They acted and did the right thing, knowing the odds were against them! :applaud

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:
 
Much bravery shown by the Kurds! They acted and did the right thing, knowing the odds were against them! :applaud

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:


Indeed Lady P.
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Plus now they are training the Yazidis.



Kurdish militants train hundreds of Yazidis to fight Islamic State.....


Kurdish militants have trained hundreds of Yazidi volunteers at several camps inside Syria to fight Islamic State forces in Iraq, a member of the armed Kurdish YPG and a Reuters photographer who visited a training camp said on Sunday. The photographer spend Saturday at the training camp at the Serimli military base in Qamishli, northeastern Syria on the border with Iraqi Kurdistan, where he saw 55 Yazidis being trained to fight the Islamic State.

"On the top of the Singar mountains, in cooperation with locals and the YPG, the Yazidis have established what they call the Singar Resistance Units," he said by phone. The YPG, or the People's Defence Units, says it has no political affiliations but analysts say it has close ties to the Kurdistan Workers Party, PKK, who have waged a guerrilla war in Turkey for decades and which the U.S. lists as a terrorist organization.....snip~

Kurdish militants train hundreds of Yazidis to fight Islamic State
 
Those that don't should be scrutinized very intensely. Just sayin.

And I'm just saying that US policies of supporting terrorist groups needs to be scrutinised.
 
Right about what? My position isn't that terrorists ( militant Islamic jihadist groups) aren't dangerous or even a potential threat to the US mainland. But that groups are added and removed from terrorist lists for political expediency, and that US support of militant Islamic groups for decades now, has exacerbated the current ME crisis. Policy, or incompetence.
you'd have to define "militant Islamic Groups" it is a very wide possibility
 
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Smoke rises from the direction of Mosul dam
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The Mosul dam is Iraq's largest and was overrun by militants on 7 August

BBC News - Kurdish forces 'break IS hold on Mosul dam'
Kurdish forces in northern Iraq are in near complete control of Iraq's largest dam after ousting Islamic State (IS) militants, Kurdish officials say.

Ground forces supported by US air strikes launched the operation to take Mosul dam on Sunday morning.

Kurdish sources said they were still trying to clear mines and booby traps from the area round the dam, a process which could take several hours.
 
Much bravery shown by the Kurds! They acted and did the right thing, knowing the odds were against them! :applaud

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:
certainly could show the Iraqi army a thing or 2..
 
Well.....when the Kurds say they are moving towards them again and need heavy weapons. I tend to go with what they are saying. As they have to try and get in range to take out any of the Terrorists.

Moreover.....the Iraqis themselves say they will have an Army on the ground to engage. Can't take them out by droning and by Air. Of course the Iraqis do have to do more than just talk.
good point. I had heard something about French air support -but where do they (Kurds) get the heavy weapons from?
 
And I'm just saying that US policies of supporting terrorist groups needs to be scrutinised.

Okay that's true Monte. :2wave: Yes the US has backed terrorists before. Even some that were not considered terrorists at the time. Yes the US is not Perfect Angels. Yes the US has started **** to deal with those that have cost us or affected us. But it is okay for those out there to hurt the US and its people Right? I mean in your eyes.....and from what you have stated around here in each area of US Foreign Policy. The US can never do anything Right? Just screw up according to you, and we should Always avoid confrontation with all others on the Planet. Even if affects us a Country. Even if others kill our people Right?

Its okay for Others to declare War on the US....Right? Okay for them to kidnap and kill our people.....Right? Destroy our businesses, in whatever way they can, Right? We should never do anything but run away and stick our heads into the sand with our asses up in the air.....Right? I mean That's how your point comes across Monte. That's the US should never even come out of their House. Just hide and do nothing at all times. What do you think the whole Planet is going to hold hands and sing Kumbai-ya in the Future or something? Were you looking for Paradise and or slice of Heaven here where mankind exists?

You constantly bash the US over their policy yet say nothing of any others Policy whatsoever.....do you think everyone else should be scrutinized as well? What about Russian Policy? Chinese Policy? What about Arab policies? Should they be allowed to do whatever they want? Got any thing to say when they start **** Monte? Other than awww man they shouldn't be doing that.
 
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Smoke rises from the direction of Mosul dam
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The Mosul dam is Iraq's largest and was overrun by militants on 7 August

BBC News - Kurdish forces 'break IS hold on Mosul dam'
Kurdish forces in northern Iraq are in near complete control of Iraq's largest dam after ousting Islamic State (IS) militants, Kurdish officials say.

Ground forces supported by US air strikes launched the operation to take Mosul dam on Sunday morning.

Kurdish sources said they were still trying to clear mines and booby traps from the area round the dam, a process which could take several hours.



Mornin AT. :2wave: Thanks for the Pics on the Dam. They say this dam is one of the most dangerous in the world. That's with no warzone being around it. Now the Kurds say they have one side. ISIL the other. BO had to order continuous bombing of the Terrorists in order for the Kurds to manage this. My concern would be ISIL saying screw it and just blow the dam. Which will destroy most of What is left of Iraq.
 
Mornin AT. :2wave: Thanks for the Pics on the Dam. They say this dam is one of the most dangerous in the world. That's with no warzone being around it. Now the Kurds say they have one side. ISIL the other. BO had to order continuous bombing of the Terrorists in order for the Kurds to manage this. My concern would be ISIL saying screw it and just blow the dam. Which will destroy most of What is left of Iraq.
there was a piece on the WSJ ( you have to subscribe) that said the peshmerga were aided by all female Syrian recruits ( jihadi?). I can't find any other reference but I did find this.

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a mandate that all women be fully covered in public and that they be accompanied by a male chaperone.

There are only women in this brigade, and we have given them their own facilities to prevent the mixture of men and women."

Though women are assuming new, more powerful roles across Syria – the U.N. now estimates that one in four displaced families in Syria has a female head – residents here say that any "girl power" wrought by the brigade is mitigated by the harsher restrictions they have been tasked with imposing on Raqqa's women.

ISIS created it to terrorize women,"
says Abu al-Hamza, a local media activist.
He says the brigade raided the city's Hamida Taher Girls School and arrested 10 students, two teachers and a secretary on the grounds that some of them were wearing veils that were too thin.
Others were accused of wearing hair clips under the veil, pinning them in a way that showed too much of their faces.

Al-Hamza says that the women subsequently spent six hours in an ISIS detention center, where they were whipped.
"After arresting those women and girls," continues al-Hamza, "they took them to ISIS prisons and locked them in for six hours and punished some of them with 30 whips each."

"I was walking down the street when a car suddenly stopped and a group of armed women got out," she says.
"They insulted me and yelled at me. They took me to one of their centers and kept me locked in a room.
Nobody talked to me or told me the reason for my detention.
One of the women in the brigade came over, pointing her firearm at me. She then tested my knowledge of prayer, fasting and hijab."

The fighter told Zainab she had been arrested because she had been walking alone, without an escort, and because her hijab was not worn properly
. "You should be punished for taking your religion lightly," she told Zainab, before threatening harsher punishment should she be arrested again

The brigade has created fear among the women and girls of Raqqa," she says.
"We've seen how they move, always watching women on the street, raiding schools, arresting students and locking them in for hours


Syria News | Syria Deeply, Covering the Crisis

so go figure..Islamic State (IS) jihadi, and Syrian..but again I don't know whom are the Syrian brigades?
 
Okay that's true Monte. :2wave: Yes the US has backed terrorists before. Even some that were not considered terrorists at the time. Yes the US is not Perfect Angels. Yes the US has started **** to deal with those that have cost us or affected us. But it is okay for those out there to hurt the US and its people Right? I mean in your eyes.....and from what you have stated around here in each area of US Foreign Policy. The US can never do anything Right? Just screw up according to you, and we should Always avoid confrontation with all others on the Planet. Even if affects us a Country. Even if others kill our people Right?

Its okay for Others to declare War on the US....Right? Okay for them to kidnap and kill our people.....Right? Destroy our businesses, in whatever way they can, Right? We should never do anything but run away and stick our heads into the sand with our asses up in the air.....Right? I mean That's how your point comes across Monte. That's the US should never even come out of their House. Just hide and do nothing at all times. What do you think the whole Planet is going to hold hands and sing Kumbai-ya in the Future or something? Were you looking for Paradise and or slice of Heaven here where mankind exists?

You constantly bash the US over their policy yet say nothing of any others Policy whatsoever.....do you think everyone else should be scrutinized as well? What about Russian Policy? Chinese Policy? What about Arab policies? Should they be allowed to do whatever they want? Got any thing to say when they start **** Monte? Other than awww man they shouldn't be doing that.

Default position is to refer to some sort of anti-Americanism.

Seems like I've pointed this out to you in the past, but again. It would appear at first that you are unaware that OIL is the interest of America in the Middle East, not humanitarian missions. Those missions are responses, when we see them. As with the current response to IS in northern Iraq. IS, is what they are today, with the strength they have today due to US/Western support for the rebels fighting president Assad in Syria. Rebels that only the least informed deny have been composed of militant Islamists from AQ, MB, al Nusra and others. There was a lot of hand wringing about US arms ending up with them and now its apparent that much did, strengthening and emboldening IS who has spread out of Syria into Iraq and is a threat to other neighbours as well.

Everything we've done in the ME is related to ensuring the free uninterrupted flow of oil from the ME to all points around the globe. So every drop of blood, rebels, insurgents, terrorists, civilians, diplomats, US soldiers, soldiers from ally countries, all spent to maintain that flow of oil.

Often times though it backfires, and oil is restricted, or a group like IS fighting president Assad, something that fits nicely with US policy, gets too strong and takes their agenda elsewhere creating a crisis for us, a fire that we now have to go stomp out.

As to your point that I don't criticise other countries, again, as I have pointed out before, I'm an American, my tax dollars fund US operations, therefore its what the US does that concerns me. Let the Chinese citizens complain about what Chinas doing if they don't like it. If you see something you don't like that the Chinese are doing, voicing a complaint about it here at DP can have no effect.

I constantly "bash" US policy, and not the policies of others you say. You MMC constantly bash Obama and the Democratic Party, yet hold the GOP up as some sort of standard bearer, when in fact, they are responsible for as much of the problems in the ME as the democrats are. Where's your criticism of Bush, and Bush policy to open wars in A-Stan and Iraq, which started all this **** to begin with? Do you know that a majority of Americans now believe BOTH those wars to have been errors.

I just can't wait till Americans start paying MORE attention, and denying presidents the opportunity to involve the US in wars of choice, or pre-emptive wars. Syria last summer was promising, with 70% of Americans being against US military intervention there.

To your claims that I think the US should burry our heads in the sand, never come out of the house and hide and do nothing at all times is preposterous, and I'd prefer to believe that you didn't even mean it, but on your rant just ran afoul of reality a little.

Another point I've made on repeated occasions is that (though you didn't in this post) people like to through the word isolationist around at folks such as myself, because we prefer a more peaceful, non interfering, non interventionist foreign policy, that may be good for the interests of some in America, but usually are injurious to those in other countries. We never think that the US should turn inward and lock the gates and put our heads in the sand. We should maintain embassies around the world, help with epidemics, aids, starvation, homelessness, water quality, aid in the form of advanced agricultural technology, disaster relief, joint projects like dams and bridges that improve the quality of life for people, the Olympics and tourism, trade/business, and all the other things that are POSITIVE in nature. And we do plenty of that, and I have no criticism with those aspects of US foreign policy and of course, like Ron and Rand Paul as well as many libertarians think that all that should continue.

You paint a picture of me, my position as being against everything the US does which is far from accurate as should be clear now. My criticism of foreign policy is very limited and FOCUSED!
 
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Default position is to refer to some sort of anti-Americanism.

Seems like I've pointed this out to you in the past, but again. It would appear at first that you are unaware that OIL is the interest of America in the Middle East, not humanitarian missions. Those missions are responses, when we see them. As with the current response to IS in northern Iraq. IS, is what they are today, with the strength they have today due to US/Western support for the rebels fighting president Assad in Syria. Rebels that only the least informed deny have been composed of militant Islamists from AQ, MB, al Nusra and others. There was a lot of hand wringing about US arms ending up with them and now its apparent that much did, strengthening and emboldening IS who has spread out of Syria into Iraq and is a threat to other neighbours as well.

Everything we've done in the ME is related to ensuring the free uninterrupted flow of oil from the ME to all points around the globe. So every drop of blood, rebels, insurgents, terrorists, civilians, diplomats, US soldiers, soldiers from ally countries, all spent to maintain that flow of oil.

Often times though it backfires, and oil is restricted, or a group like IS fighting president Assad, something that fits nicely with US policy, gets to strong and takes their agenda elsewhere creating a crisis for us, a fire that we now have to go stomp out.

As to your point that I don't criticise other countries, again, as I have pointed out before, I'm an American, my tax dollars fund US operations, therefore its what the US does that concerns me. Let the Chinese citizens complain about what Chinas doing if they don't like it. If you see something you don't like that the Chinese are doing, voicing a complaint about it here at DP can have no effect.

I constantly "bash" US policy, and not the policies of others you say. You MMC constantly bash Obama and the Democratic Party, yet hold the GOP up as some sort of standard bearer, when in fact, they are responsible for as much of the problems in the ME as the democrats are. Where's your criticism of Bush, and Bush policy to open wars in A-Stan and Iraq, which started all this **** to begin with? Do you know that a majority of Americans now believe BOTH those wars to have been errors.

I just can't wait till Americans start paying MORE attention, and denying presidents the opportunity to involve the US in wars of choice, or pre-emptive wars. Syria last summer was promising, with 70% of Americans being against US military intervention there.

To your claims that I think the US should burry our heads in the sand, never come out of the house and hide and do nothing at all times is preposterous, and I'd prefer to believe that you didn't even mean it, but on your rant just ran afoul of reality a little.

Another point I've made on repeated occasions is that (though you didn't in this post) people like to through the word isolationist around at folks such as myself, because we prefer a more peaceful, non interfering, non interventionist foreign policy, that may be good for the interests of some in America, but usually are injurious to those in other countries. We never think that the US should turn inward and lock the gates and put our heads in the sand. We should maintain embassies around the world, help with epidemics, aids, starvation, homelessness, water quality, aid in the form of advanced agricultural technology, disaster relief, joint projects like dams and bridge that improve the quality of life for people, the Olympics and tourism, trade/business, and all the other things that are POSITIVE in nature. And we do plenty of that, and I have no criticism with those aspects of US foreign policy and of course, like Ron and Rand Paul as well as many libertarians think that all that should continue.

You paint a picture of me, my position as being against everything the US does which is far from accurate as should be clear now. My criticism of foreign policy is very limited and FOCUSED!

^ is well thought out, there are a few areas I'd disagree with - i'm fine with US power projection, but not mindless interventionism.
Also al-Nusra doesn't fight with IS..there was a brief period when they did, but now they are enemies.. But I do agree we have been way crazy with the interventionism. Monte.

have a good day!
 
Default position is to refer to some sort of anti-Americanism.

Seems like I've pointed this out to you in the past, but again. It would appear at first that you are unaware that OIL is the interest of America in the Middle East, not humanitarian missions. Those missions are responses, when we see them. As with the current response to IS in northern Iraq. IS, is what they are today, with the strength they have today due to US/Western support for the rebels fighting president Assad in Syria. Rebels that only the least informed deny have been composed of militant Islamists from AQ, MB, al Nusra and others. There was a lot of hand wringing about US arms ending up with them and now its apparent that much did, strengthening and emboldening IS who has spread out of Syria into Iraq and is a threat to other neighbours as well.

Everything we've done in the ME is related to ensuring the free uninterrupted flow of oil from the ME to all points around the globe. So every drop of blood, rebels, insurgents, terrorists, civilians, diplomats, US soldiers, soldiers from ally countries, all spent to maintain that flow of oil.

Often times though it backfires, and oil is restricted, or a group like IS fighting president Assad, something that fits nicely with US policy, gets to strong and takes their agenda elsewhere creating a crisis for us, a fire that we now have to go stomp out.

As to your point that I don't criticise other countries, again, as I have pointed out before, I'm an American, my tax dollars fund US operations, therefore its what the US does that concerns me. Let the Chinese citizens complain about what Chinas doing if they don't like it. If you see something you don't like that the Chinese are doing, voicing a complaint about it here at DP can have no effect.

I constantly "bash" US policy, and not the policies of others you say. You MMC constantly bash Obama and the Democratic Party, yet hold the GOP up as some sort of standard bearer, when in fact, they are responsible for as much of the problems in the ME as the democrats are. Where's your criticism of Bush, and Bush policy to open wars in A-Stan and Iraq, which started all this **** to begin with? Do you know that a majority of Americans now believe BOTH those wars to have been errors.

I just can't wait till Americans start paying MORE attention, and denying presidents the opportunity to involve the US in wars of choice, or pre-emptive wars. Syria last summer was promising, with 70% of Americans being against US military intervention there.

To your claims that I think the US should burry our heads in the sand, never come out of the house and hide and do nothing at all times is preposterous, and I'd prefer to believe that you didn't even mean it, but on your rant just ran afoul of reality a little.

Another point I've made on repeated occasions is that (though you didn't in this post) people like to through the word isolationist around at folks such as myself, because we prefer a more peaceful, non interfering, non interventionist foreign policy, that may be good for the interests of some in America, but usually are injurious to those in other countries. We never think that the US should turn inward and lock the gates and put our heads in the sand. We should maintain embassies around the world, help with epidemics, aids, starvation, homelessness, water quality, aid in the form of advanced agricultural technology, disaster relief, joint projects like dams and bridge that improve the quality of life for people, the Olympics and tourism, trade/business, and all the other things that are POSITIVE in nature. And we do plenty of that, and I have no criticism with those aspects of US foreign policy and of course, like Ron and Rand Paul as well as many libertarians think that all that should continue.

You paint a picture of me, my position as being against everything the US does which is far from accurate as should be clear now. My criticism of foreign policy is very limited and FOCUSED!



Yeah, well you werent around when I Bashed Bush or the Neo Cons. Bringing up Bush and harping on how two wrongs doesn't get it Right. Isnt saying much of what is going on today. In present time. You just don't like it that I will jump BO who has no experience at ANY leadership. Or those Democrats and their Policies that haven't worked. Which many of them spring up from those Democrats.....NGO's and NFPS. Which I am not going to get off into the differences of their ideologies. But that's who in control now and that is who is pressing such in others countries. Which this says nothing of those Democrats who themselves are questioning his FP.


Oh and it is limited.....as it doesn't consider what actions. Stem from others......from other countries. Who created specific problems for us. That don't stop and continue to do so. Which requires that we respond. Which doesn't give us any luxury of avoiding whats brought our way.

That's including when just providing all that humanitarian Aid.....and us going about our own business.
 
^ is well thought out, there are a few areas I'd disagree with - i'm fine with US power projection, but not mindless interventionism.
Also al-Nusra doesn't fight with IS..there was a brief period when they did, but now they are enemies.. But I do agree we have been way crazy with the interventionism. Monte.

have a good day!

Thanks annata. I'm well aware of the fact that there was a lot of morphing going on in Syria with regards to the make-up of the various groups there sometimes co-operating with one another, sometimes bickering, etc.. And I don't believe the US ever had a complete handle on that. And that resulted in arms, arms pilfered from Gaddafi's military ending up in the hands of people that are now hurting others, innocent people, which means now we feel compelled to go intervene there!! This **** is ****ed up. I want to see us with a government that's smarter than that dumb ass Bush, and stronger than Obama, that works true security in the ME, and not advance policy that destabilises and inflames the region. Just one example, president Assad would have smacked down any of those jihadists coming into his country, had they not had the support of the US/West/Qatar, etc. and there are now 160,000 dead civilians in Syria. Not very humanitarian.

Also, there could be times that I would support US power projection, namely due to an unprovoked attack on our country, which includes our territories and embassies around the world, etc. though the key there being, unprovoked. Lets have co-operative policies in the ME. The free flow of oil can be beneficial for everyone, even the countries in the ME that are producers. But if other stronger countries or coalitions of countries are exploitive, greedy, well, that's a problem.
 
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