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ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

tacomancer said:
I disagree with those folks. I think the US facilitated, but much of the cause was centuries in the making, we may have altered the timeline a bit.
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The US supports and supplies terrorist groups, they just get removed from the terrorist group list first. Iran on the same hand doesn't recognise Hezbollah as a terrorist group. So in arming them, they have at least as much credibility as the US does, oooooh, and that's not much on this issue.
 
ecofarm said:
Perhaps if you served the Rothschild family, and other Elders, as gloriously as I (I could be a journalist, ya know), then you wouldn't be a mid-level Illuminati schlepper.
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That's it!

No more of my special red Matzoh for you!
 
Gardener said:
That's it!

No more of my special red Matzoh for you!
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You can't threaten me, I know how to make it and garbage cans are public property.
 
annata said:
Rand Paul tried to dig into this -he hit the CIA "black ops" stonewall,so whatever happened isn't known.

I do remember a Turkish ship seized off the Coast of Lebanon full of Libyan MANPADS,and such (?)..Something like that.

But it's fairly evident the CIA annex that was supposed to be securing Libyan weapons caches, was transshipping them to Syria -yes
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Between the time Gaddafi was overthrown and the CIA was able to find the cache of manpads, they had already been looted by various factions in Libya who most likely sold them to Qatar. Qatar then sent them to the rebels in Syria.

Some of them also showed up in Afghanistan and one was used to shoot down the Chinook helicopter carrying Navy Seals including members of Seal Team 6 that had recently killed Osama Bin Laden.

Most likely they were US made stingers.
 
Gardener said:
Albania -- cradle of democracy, bastion of freedom.

Albania: Media Freedoms Still Suffer | Human Rights Watch
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from 2002 hahahaha :lol:
I totally agree.

However, I do not take too much seriously these kind of polls.
You know why?

Because it is easier for small countries to be on top.
Even now in 2014, the top lists for corruption, worst free media etc is owned by countries like: Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Mali.
You never see Russia on top, no matter how bad it is. ;)
 
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Montecresto said:
There's something very wrong with your knowledge of IS, they came out of Syria, due to Obama's failed policy there! You're trying to make me out to be a supporter of Obama's ME policy which is a huge fail. I don't. IS is, in large part the result of failed US policy, or maybe its intended US policy, perhaps I should say, bad US policy.
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There you go with the false accusations again. The issue has nothing to do with ISIS coming from Syria. The issue we both have been responding to is whether or not the US should respond to the extermination of the Yazidis by ISIS in Iraq, period.

You say no and that's how I connected your principles on the subject to Obama's. He obviously doesn't think the US should get involved either. Its obvious from his inaction on the subject.

I on the other hand do. What I don't understand is why those who think the US created the situation in Iraq that brought terrorists to the country wouldn't want the US to save a certain group of Iraqi's from being slaughtered by those terrorists.
 
Montecresto said:
The violent phase of the PKK has ended? Too funny, I guess that would be because they're fighting the somewhat more violent IS.
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See, I knew you were going to say this. I meant the PKK-Turkish conflict: their terrorist war against our NATO ally is over, meaning that our approach with them can be different.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063648590 said:
Between the time Gaddafi was overthrown and the CIA was able to find the cache of manpads, they had already been looted by various factions in Libya who most likely sold them to Qatar. Qatar then sent them to the rebels in Syria.

Some of them also showed up in Afghanistan and one was used to shoot down the Chinook helicopter carrying Navy Seals including members of Seal Team 6 that had recently killed Osama Bin Laden.

Most likely they were US made stingers.
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I have no reason to doubt you. -Qatar fingerprints are all over Syria. that country has funded th Muslim Brotherhood too.
they have more money then policy, so they just spread it around
 
AQI: The insurgent group was launched by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an Arab of Jordanian descent, and flourished in the sectarian tensions that followed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. Zarqawi had commanded volunteers in Herat, Afghanistan, before fleeing to northern Iraq in 2001

Baghdadi was a lieutenant in that orga. and after Zarqawi was killed -there was some other guy, but Baghdadi really got ISIL going.
He claimed the caliphate as Caliph Ibrihim -basically saying even Zawahiri had to accept his prominence.

It's an amazing run: here he is in Mosul ( note the Rolex watch)

 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063648658 said:
There you go with the false accusations again. The issue has nothing to do with ISIS coming from Syria. The issue we both have been responding to is whether or not the US should respond to the extermination of the Yazidis by ISIS in Iraq, period.

You say no and that's how I connected your principles on the subject to Obama's. He obviously doesn't think the US should get involved either. Its obvious from his inaction on the subject.

I on the other hand do. What I don't understand is why those who think the US created the situation in Iraq that brought terrorists to the country wouldn't want the US to save a certain group of Iraqi's from being slaughtered by those terrorists.
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All of this is invalidated by the fact that Obama did respond, conducted air strikes that successfully arrested IS advances on the Yazidi's.
 
MadLib said:
See, I knew you were going to say this. I meant the PKK-Turkish conflict: their terrorist war against our NATO ally is over, meaning that our approach with them can be different.
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Funny how groups of terrorists are arbitrarily moved onto and off of terror lists as such (though PKK remains on it presently) its quite obvious that the 'War on Terror' is a joke.

The MEK was recently de-listed.

Our consistency in arming and supporting terrorist groups is the problem in the ME region.

An Abrams tank costs $4.3 million. An F-16 fighter jet is $45 million. Thus, another $1.760 billion of taxpayer funding has been used to further enhance the Muslim Brotherhood’s military capability. Yet when the amendment was defeated, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) contended the alternative was far worse, including “a loss of thousands of American jobs,” and “more than two billion dollars in contract-termination penalties for U.S. taxpayers.” In other words, the arming of a nation dominated by Islamists with interests completely inimical to the United States is the “lesser of two evils.”
 
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Montecresto said:
All of this is invalidated by the fact that Obama did respond, conducted air strikes that successfully arrested IS advances on the Yazidi's.
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Apparently your and Obama's acceptable response. We know where you both stand.

SgtRock said:
Aug 15, 2014 Fox News

News from Northern Iraq today that 90 Yazidis were massacred today. Men were slaughtered and women were made slaves. This just a day after President Obama claimed the mission was ended and was successful. Really, "Mission Accomplished" well Obama lied and people died This is very sad. These people did nothing to ISIS. Just tragic.
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1063650387 said:
Apparently your and Obama's acceptable response. We know where you both stand.
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Well if I really had what was acceptable, we wouldn't have supported militant Islamists for decades, which has emboldened and strengthened them, giving rise to the very problems that you apparently want another ground war over.
 
Montecresto said:
Well if I really had what was acceptable, we wouldn't have supported militant Islamists for decades, which has emboldened and strengthened them, giving rise to the very problems that you apparently want another ground war over.
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Keep changing the topic; it still doesn't mask your views on the matter, which BTW are similar if not identical to Obama's.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063650417 said:
Keep changing the topic; it still doesn't mask your views on the matter, which BTW are similar if not identical to Obama's.
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Oh that's too funny. You'd be the only one that thinks I view the ME as Obama. :lamo
 
Montecresto said:
All of this is invalidated by the fact that Obama did respond, conducted air strikes that successfully arrested IS advances on the Yazidi's.
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Heya Monte. :2wave: It didn't stop the advances.....as they are still advancing.
 
Montecresto said:
Funny how groups of terrorists are arbitrarily moved onto and off of terror lists as such (though PKK remains on it presently) its quite obvious that the 'War on Terror' is a joke.

The MEK was recently de-listed.

Our consistency in arming and supporting terrorist groups is the problem in the ME region.

An Abrams tank costs $4.3 million. An F-16 fighter jet is $45 million. Thus, another $1.760 billion of taxpayer funding has been used to further enhance the Muslim Brotherhood’s military capability. Yet when the amendment was defeated, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) contended the alternative was far worse, including “a loss of thousands of American jobs,” and “more than two billion dollars in contract-termination penalties for U.S. taxpayers.” In other words, the arming of a nation dominated by Islamists with interests completely inimical to the United States is the “lesser of two evils.”
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We didn't really "arm" the PKK. Peshmerga is fighting for its survival against genocidal fanatics, and they're partnering with a now-peaceful-towards-NATO group to do so. Do they have to follow lock-step with our foreign policy to be worthy of aid? Should they not partner with whoever wants to work with them when fighting for their continued existence, just because a different country designates those allies as terrorists?

I agree with you about MEK, by the way.
 
nota bene said:
I hope you're right. Lindsay Graham and Dianne Feinstein disagree. U.S. lawmakers warn of ISIS attack on American soil, urge strong response to Islamic terrorists in Iraq | National Post
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Right about what? My position isn't that terrorists ( militant Islamic jihadist groups) aren't dangerous or even a potential threat to the US mainland. But that groups are added and removed from terrorist lists for political expediency, and that US support of militant Islamic groups for decades now, has exacerbated the current ME crisis. Policy, or incompetence.
 
MadLib said:
We didn't really "arm" the PKK. ......
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Of course not. But there are people that want that to be the understanding and tell that story ad nauseam well knowing it to be a false allegation. The problem with that type of disinformation is that it often sticks in the international mind and hurts attitudes towards the US. Whether the people want to hurt the country is always difficult to tell. But if you watch RT you will encounter it continuously.
 
MadLib said:
We didn't really "arm" the PKK. Peshmerga is fighting for its survival against genocidal fanatics, and they're partnering with a now-peaceful-towards-NATO group to do so. Do they have to follow lock-step with our foreign policy to be worthy of aid? Should they not partner with whoever wants to work with them when fighting for their continued existence, just because a different country designates those allies as terrorists?

I agree with you about MEK, by the way.
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Erdogan's has been moving Turkey away from the secular gains made by predecessors. PKK is probably pleased with this. I'm simply amazed at the way groups are labeled and de-labeled (is that a word, lol) for political expediency. Funded and supported in one front, fought in another. Hell, we even recognised the MB in Egypt, and were prepared to give them 450 million in aid including tanks and fighters. I just see our ME policy as insane. And if there was peace across the region now, it would prove my position wrong. Btw, I didn't single out the PKK as having been armed by the US. I'm comparing the fact that our arms destined for the "good (lol) guys" in Syria, as predicted ended up in the hands of the bad guys, due in part to the reason we have all the handwringing over IS now. And then, we have PKK fighting along side the Kurds we're arming in northern Iraq. Some lessons never learned, a policy of destabilisation, incompetence............
 
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MMC said:
Heya Monte. :2wave: It didn't stop the advances.....as they are still advancing.
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It is rather a mess out there right now and we cannot really rely on reports from the field. Essentially it is the same problem as on any battlefield. The fogs are dense.
 
joG said:
Of course not. But there are people that want that to be the understanding and tell that story ad nauseam well knowing it to be a false allegation. The problem with that type of disinformation is that it often sticks in the international mind and hurts attitudes towards the US. Whether the people want to hurt the country is always difficult to tell. But if you watch RT you will encounter it continuously.
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Are you subtlety accusing American citizens who are pointing out failed US policies in the ME, of wishing to harm America?
 
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