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ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

Aug 15, 2014 Fox News

News from Northern Iraq today that 90 Yazidis were massacred today. Men were slaughtered and women were made slaves. This just a day after President Obama claimed the mission was ended and was successful. Really, "Mission Accomplished" well Obama lied and people died This is very sad. These people did nothing to ISIS. Just tragic.

US conducts new airstrikes as ISIS kills dozens of Yazidis in Iraq town, officials say | Fox News

As per usual, this isn't the whole story. Obama declared "mission accomplished" (which he kinda sorta did but not really?) regarding the ISIS airstrikes in Sinjar. This latest massacre occurred elsewhere in Iraq. Did you honestly think Obama was claiming that the ISIS threat, even in regards to the Yazidis, was over two days ago?

The "Obama lied, people died" meme is cute, and it's really nice of you to attempt to make political hay off some very real atrocities happening to some very real people in the Middle East.
 
Care to elaborate?



Wait, did you reply to the same post twice? Oh well, in any case...

In the beginning when we were arming Syrian rebels, it's obvious now that not a lot of care was taken to make sure the right rebels were getting equipment. That being said, we're not now (intentionally) arming ISIS. In case you missed the memo, we did start air strikes on them you know...



I'm assuming you have no compassion for the Yazidis being slaughtered by ISIS huh? Always the cynic ey Monte?

How'd you twist that around so. I have repeatedly criticised US policy in Syria that has strengthened and emboldened IS to be able to do the horrific things they are now doing, which is exactly what Russia and China warned would happen. I am fed up with the US military being sent around the ME. To stomp out flames that spread from fires that we started elsewhere, and a little perturbed at your support for it. Benghazi is where this started. With the CIA's covert smuggling of arms out of the annex there thru Turkey to the rebels in Syria. And Turkey, which is going backwards in terms of human rights was tasked with insuring that these smuggled arms didn't get to the "bad rebels" , well the bad rebels got em! Now, another ****ing mess facilitated by A, a policy of destabilisation, or B, years of incompetence from the American WH.
 
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How many here have stated over and over its the US fault terrorists are in Iraq?

So continue to make it the US fault the terrorists are committing genocide? See the connection?

Very clearly.
 
Gaddafi and Assad didn't have anything in check, otherwise they would of dealt with these issues long before we got involved. After all, how long did it take for us to launch air strikes into Lybia?

Saddam is the more interesting question, and one I honestly don't know about. It has nothing to do with the perceived strength of the Iraqi military under Saddam, but more so with the Sunnis. ISIS wouldn't of gotten anywhere without the support (passive or otherwise) of the local Sunnis. And they were pretty well taken care of during Saddam reign. Would the Sunnis of still risen up purely based on religious reason? I don't know, but I doubt it.

That's ridiculous too! The whole reason we got involved in both places was because they both were dealing with it, and the US wanted regime change. And you keep being gullible and thinking there's some humanitarian purpose to US involvement in the ME.
 
How'd you twist that around so. I have repeatedly criticised US policy in Syria that has strengthened and emboldened IS to be able to do the horrific things they are now doing, which is exactly what Russia and China warned would happen. I am fed up with the US military being sent around the ME. To stomp out flames that spread from fires that we started elsewhere, and a little perturbed at your support for it. Benghazi is where this started. With the CIA's covert smuggling of arms out of the annex there thru Turkey to the rebels in Syria. And Turkey, which is going backwards in terms of human rights was tasked with insuring that these smuggled arms didn't get to the "bad rebels" , well the bad rebels got em! Now, another ****ing mess facilitated by A, a policy of destabilisation, or B, years of incompetence from the American WH.

First off, the remark of you not having compassion, was in direct response to the pink ribbon comment. The "tomahawks" would be aimed in that situation at ISIS fighters, not a particular city you know? Also, did we start the Syrian Civil War or not? Because that seems to be an important step along the way in determining just who is responsible for what in destabilizing the middle east.
 
Gaddafi and Assad didn't have anything in check, otherwise they would of dealt with these issues long before we got involved. After all, how long did it take for us to launch air strikes into Lybia?

Saddam is the more interesting question, and one I honestly don't know about. It has nothing to do with the perceived strength of the Iraqi military under Saddam, but more so with the Sunnis. ISIS wouldn't of gotten anywhere without the support (passive or otherwise) of the local Sunnis. And they were pretty well taken care of during Saddam reign. Would the Sunnis of still risen up purely based on religious reason? I don't know, but I doubt it.
no.you are 100% wrong on Libya, Assad less so, but he did warn that "degrading" (catch all term) his regime would open up Syria to the "terrorists' (his words).

Qaddafi was a staunch ally on checking Ansar -al Shari, and LIFG ( Libyan Islamic fighting group).

You might be thinking of the NTC - that was the bunch that came out of the east (Bengazi)where the UN authorized force because Qaddafi was shelling those guys in their pick up trucks. The NTC cannot rule, and uses militias to prop up their government.
The country is now being broken up along geographic (eastwest/) and Islamic/secular forces.

Moreover we left militia rule, and that country is in a protracted civil war, /kidnappings/shelling of Parliament /2 government/s it's a fiasco
 
I guess that's fair. It's just when you put it succinctly into words...

Well, if one blames the US for everything, including Syria's failed revolution and 9/11. And one believes US policy is designed to support terrorists and create a target for the MID, then what do you expect? If you believed the US is the Great Satan, then you would be against interfering even against (presumably enough, fake) genocide.
 
9/11 is Bush's fault?

Wow, lets see you can't read, no we all no better than that, just putting words in my mouth, well we've all seen you do that enough, yeah I'm pretty sure that's what it is.
 
I guess that's fair. It's just when you put it succinctly into words...

It's **** holes when he doesn't like their spotlight on the US and a value worth spending our blood and treasure on otherwise.
 
Sorry, nice try, but I have ridiculed the Obama policy in Syria that has facilitated IS, so stop lying.
it's more about Bush' Iraq war, but yes Obama hasn't done anything right on Syria
 
Wow, lets see you can't read, no we all no better than that, just putting words in my mouth, well we've all seen you do that enough, yeah I'm pretty sure that's what it is.

How can you blame someone and it's not their fault. You blame Bush for 9/11, clearly:

*Al Qaeda can be blamed for conducting the attack and the Bush administration for ignoring all the warnings.*

You're blaming a victim for a crime because they failed to avoid it.
 
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no.you are 100% wrong on Libya, Assad less so, but he did warn that "degrading" (catch all term) his regime would open up Syria to the "terrorists' (his words).

Qaddafi was a staunch ally on checking Ansar -al Shari, and LIFG ( Libyan Islamic fighting group).

You might be thinking of the NTC - that was the bunch that came out of the east (Bengazi)where the UN authorized force because Qaddafi was shelling those guys in their pick up trucks. The NTC cannot rule, and uses militias to prop up their government.
The country is now being broken up along geographic (eastwest/) and Islamic/secular forces.

Moreover we left militia rule, and that country is in a protracted civil war, /kidnappings/shelling of Parliament /2 government/s it's a fiasco

He, (president Assad) Russia and China all warned exactly what we are witnessing today, still, the morons show up everyday, patting America on the back for great foreign policy in the ME. Except the partisans on the right. For them Obama's ruined everything, except when their arguing with me in support of Americas policy in the ME. It's kinda strange.
 
He, (president Assad) Russia and China all warned exactly what we are witnessing today, still, the morons show up everyday, patting America on the back for great foreign policy in the ME. Except the partisans on the right. For them Obama's ruined everything, except when their arguing with me in support of Americas policy in the ME. It's kinda strange.

Didn't Assad create ISIS?
 
How can you blame someone and it's not their fault. You blame Bush for 9/11, clearly:



You're blaming a victim for failing to avoid a crime.

Maybe I was wrong about your reading skills. At least you manned up to the task of quoting me. Now then everybody else can see that I blamed al Qaeda for attacking us and killing 3000 US citizens, and I blamed Bush for ignoring all the warnings that have surfaced throughout the course of the last dozen years. You're credibility meter is very low.
 
You're credibility meter is very low.

Like I care what you think.

What event are you blaming Bush for? You're blaming him for 9/11. You're blaming a victim for a crime because they failed to avoid it. That's disgusting.

Do you blame women for rape they fail to avoid?
 
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He, (president Assad) Russia and China all warned exactly what we are witnessing today, still, the morons show up everyday, patting America on the back for great foreign policy in the ME. Except the partisans on the right. For them Obama's ruined everything, except when their arguing with me in support of Americas policy in the ME. It's kinda strange.
lol..about the only thing Obama did right on Syria was back down from that stupid "red line" talk.
Impossible to separate such factions as al_Nusra, from Free Syrian Army (or whatever they are called now the old Gen. Idris groups).

Problem is Syria is a Russian client state, and we just can't live with that, so we screw around, and everything we've done has facilitated AQIL/ISIL/Islamic State
On the plus side...Hillary would have been worse :roll:
 
it's more about Bush' Iraq war, but yes Obama hasn't done anything right on Syria

Hey, I'm right there with you on that. Hope you don't think I've lifted Bush off any hooks.
 
Hey, I'm right there with you on that. Hope you don't think I've lifted Bush off any hooks.
thing is..I don't know how to fix this mess..
I'm thinking now it's "unfixable" - and about all we can do is 'degrade' Islamic State and let them slug it out.
 
lol..about the only thing Obama did right on Syria was back down from that stupid "red line" talk.
Impossible to separate such factions as al_Nusra, from Free Syrian Army (or whatever they are called now the old Gen. Idris groups).

Problem is Syria is a Russian client state, and we just can't live with that, so we screw around, and everything we've done has facilitated AQIL/ISIL/Islamic State
On the plus side...Hillary would have been worse :roll:

Yes, he did, you're right. I'm afraid Bush would have been the belligerent and declared he was the decider and attacked Syria against the total opposition that existed all around him.
 
thing is..I don't know how to fix this mess..
I'm thinking now it's "unfixable" - and about all we can do is 'degrade' Islamic State and let them slug it out.

One things certain, there is no military option, unless Americans are up to the price.
 
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