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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You know, the argument would hold more weight if we got more than 4% of our oil from Iraq. Or the fact that so much of it goes to places like China. Look I really wish our foreign policy was simply just about Oil, but so many decisions we've made over the past several years has only hurt that cause, not helped it.
    Ok, so you've a better grasp on reality then our SOD.

    It's about global oil supply.

    Here’s the correct answer:

    America’s vital interest in the Middle East can be summed up in three words: oil, oil and oil. That’s it. If that region wasn’t sitting on such huge reserves, America wouldn’t give it a second thought, with the exception of its security guarantee to Israel.

    http://www.phillymag.com/news/2011/0...all-about-oil/


    It may be comforting to pretend that our enemies "hate our freedoms," as President Bush stated, but it is a mistake to ignore the truth.

    President Bush is not the first to ask: "Why do they hate us?" In a staff discussion 44 years ago, President Eisenhower asked his National Security Council about "the campaign of hatred against us [in the Arab world], not by the governments but by the people".

    His National Security Council outlined the basic reasons: the US supports corrupt and oppressive governments and is "opposing political or economic progress" because of its interest in controlling the oil resources of the region.
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    And when that culture as a whole (or enough of a critical mass of people) begin to value that, we should intervene. Until then, we are just wasting our time.
    The average Iraqi DOES value human rights and justice. This is your disconnect from reality. Everywhere I've been, all around the world, my travels have taught me: people are people.

    Presuming the majority of Iraqis are terrorists is nonsense. Do you not understand oppression?

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The average Iraqi DOES value human rights and justice.
    Everyone in that region does. It's just that they concept the democracy, justice and human rights in a different way we do in West.
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, so you've a better grasp on reality then our SOD.
    To be fair, this is the same SOD that is now supporting going back to Iraq so....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post

    It's about global oil supply.

    Here’s the correct answer:

    America’s vital interest in the Middle East can be summed up in three words: oil, oil and oil. That’s it. If that region wasn’t sitting on such huge reserves, America wouldn’t give it a second thought, with the exception of its security guarantee to Israel.

    U.S. Involvement in Libya Is All About Oil | News | Philadelphia Magazine


    It may be comforting to pretend that our enemies "hate our freedoms," as President Bush stated, but it is a mistake to ignore the truth.

    President Bush is not the first to ask: "Why do they hate us?" In a staff discussion 44 years ago, President Eisenhower asked his National Security Council about "the campaign of hatred against us [in the Arab world], not by the governments but by the people".

    His National Security Council outlined the basic reasons: the US supports corrupt and oppressive governments and is "opposing political or economic progress" because of its interest in controlling the oil resources of the region.
    As far as Lybia goes, that wasn't our idea. If you recall, it was the Europeans that got their panties in a wad trying to deal with the refugee crisis that decided it had enough.

    The thing is though, in the middle east anyways, if we aren't going to start annexing countries and taking them over ourselves, I kind of like the oppressive governments. As we've clearly seen, give people in the middle east freedom and it just makes things worse for us.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    Everyone in that region does. It's just that they concept the democracy, justice and human rights in a different way we do in West.
    Wrong. Everyone wants human rights and representation.

    It's beyond stupid to presume that some people "like being slaves".

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    As we've clearly seen, give people in the middle east freedom and it just makes things worse for us.
    and for them.
    Because I doubt anyone believe Libya will ever be better than it was.
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    To be fair, this is the same SOD that is now supporting going back to Iraq so....



    As far as Lybia goes, that wasn't our idea. If you recall, it was the Europeans that got their panties in a wad trying to deal with the refugee crisis that decided it had enough.

    The thing is though, in the middle east anyways, if we aren't going to start annexing countries and taking them over ourselves, I kind of like the oppressive governments. As we've clearly seen, give people in the middle east freedom and it just makes things worse for us.
    What's the conflict, the SOD was quite belligerent/arrogant in his 2007 statement and he's pursuing the policy now. Seems consistent enough to me.


    Btw, you quoted it, what do you have to say about Eisenhower's NST telling him that its Americas destructive policies in the ME that cause the people to hate us. I didn't even need to find that, to understand this myself, its that damn obvious!
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    and for them.
    Because I doubt anyone believe Libya will ever be better than it was.
    You deny the existence of development and that Libya will experience it? Libya got better the moment Qaddafi left power.

    Freedom is bad for people? How naive.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    and for them.
    Because I doubt anyone believe Libya will ever be better than it was.
    I don't know if I can say that across the board though. I guess it all depends on what they want out of the government. If they are wanting a religious government, then countries like Egypt, Palestine, and Lebanon are what they want I suppose, and may be happy with. If the rebels did end up defeating Assad, we'd have a radical government there as well. The only bright spot is Tunisia, but that's because there going for the more secular approach, and away from this religious nonsense.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Wrong. Everyone wants human rights and representation.

    It's beyond stupid to presume that some people "like being slaves".
    It may seem to you and to me as slaves but it's their way of living. We should get deal with it.

    Let's take an example:
    In those countries, the stealing punishment is applied by cutting one hand.
    It may look stupid and OMG to us, but this is how they have been living for so long.
    The cheating, the marriage unaccepted by the family as well have some bad and extreme punishments.
    It may still look stupid to us but keep in mind that you cannot come up with the dictatorship card and blame the leader.
    Mostly these kind of punishments are applied by father to the daughter, family to the member, city society to a people.
    A father can never treat it's daughter like a slave, however it seems so in West (of course you can find tiny cases all around the world).
    This is how we've been taught, that's this one is good (our way of living) and the other one in the other side is bad.


    I've seen around that you try to picture that region like some prisoners who are seeking for the only kind of freedom & democracy you've seen so far and that the US/West are the one to save them.
    Believe me, they do not want the kind of democracy we have.
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