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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What about our commitments to Allies? Naturally some lines do have to be drawn. That's not to say BO's were.

    Let me ask you this.....how does the Policy change, once we become totally independent of others for energy sources? How does that affect others going forward? When they see that US will do so in less than a decade if not in under 5 years?

    Also no one is saying that both Parties haven't been getting it wrong when it comes to dealing with those in the ME.....especially when it comes to sharing our military tech.

    As well as with anyone else.
    Not sure I understand your question, and if you're acknowledging that both parties ME policies have been a problem then that's good.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

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    Then we are doomed to never leave with the associated drain on our national resources, as they will start right back up as soon as they get a chance. Because as soon as one group is quelled, another will rise until its finally worked out of their culture (as we have been seeing for the last at least fourty years). So long as we are involved, we will give them an excuse to not blame themselves for their actions.
    Being #1 comes with responsibilities. Iraq stands a much better chance of rising above genocide with human rights and democracy supported.

    Personally I wish we could prevent genocide too, but if a culture is that committed, there isn't that much you can do to stop them since you can't wipe out an entire culture and retain the moral high ground. Maybe if let them do it for a generation, they next group of children will see the pointlessness of it.
    Foolishness. Look at North Korea, Iran, etc. Tyrants there have taken hold and are determined to never let the people up.

    Arguing that genocidal dictatorship will fix things is too ridiculous.



    Your problem is that you think the average Iraqi wants this.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Then we are doomed to never leave with the associated drain on our national resources, as they will start right back up as soon as they get a chance. Because as soon as one group is quelled, another will rise until its finally worked out of their culture (as we have been seeing for the last at least fourty years). So long as we are involved, we will give them an excuse to not blame themselves for their actions.

    Personally I wish we could prevent genocide too, but if a culture is that committed, there isn't that much you can do to stop them since you can't wipe out an entire culture and retain the moral high ground. Maybe if let them do it for a generation, they next group of children will see the pointlessness of it.
    See, that's the thing. The ME CANNOT be quelled. As soon as you leave, it starts up again. And, keeping a permanent force there, S. Korea or Germany style, still isn't the same because they would be constantly involved in skirmishes with a steady stream of body bags coming home in perpetuity, something we don't see in Korea or Germany.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Being #1 comes with responsibilities. Iraq stands a much better chance of rising above genocide with human rights and democracy supported.



    Foolishness. Look at North Korea, Iran, etc. Tyrants there have taken hold and are determined to never let the people up.

    Arguing that genocidal dictatorship will fix things is too ridiculous.



    Your problem is that you think the average Iraqi wants this.
    Then what value are they to this country? They are a net expense and we should seek to minimize our losses in that scenario.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Then what value are they to this country? They are a net expense and we should seek to minimize our losses in that scenario.
    This is not about economics. It's about human rights and justice. The more human rights and justice a country has, the faster it develops.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Then what value are they to this country? They are a net expense and we should seek to minimize our losses in that scenario.
    Humanitarianism is the facade put upon it. It most certainly is about economics and oil.



    Obama says it’s to protect minorities. That’s nothing new. Obama is the fourth president in a row to bomb Iraq … while claiming it is for humanitarian purposes.

    But the architects of the Iraq War (the one which started in 2003) themselves admitted it was about oil.

    For example, U.S. Secretary of Defense – and former 12-year Republican Senator – Chuck Hagel said of the Iraq war in 2007:

    People say we’re not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America’s national interest. What the hell do you think they’re talking about? We’re not there for figs.
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Still say we should of annexed Iraq....

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    This is not about economics. It's about human rights and justice. The more human rights and justice a country has, the faster it develops.
    And when that culture as a whole (or enough of a critical mass of people) begin to value that, we should intervene. Until then, we are just wasting our time.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Humanitarianism is the facade put upon it. It most certainly is about economics and oil.



    Obama says it’s to protect minorities. That’s nothing new. Obama is the fourth president in a row to bomb Iraq … while claiming it is for humanitarian purposes.

    But the architects of the Iraq War (the one which started in 2003) themselves admitted it was about oil.

    For example, U.S. Secretary of Defense – and former 12-year Republican Senator – Chuck Hagel said of the Iraq war in 2007:

    People say we’re not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America’s national interest. What the hell do you think they’re talking about? We’re not there for figs.
    You know, the argument would hold more weight if we got more than 4% of our oil from Iraq. Or the fact that so much of it goes to places like China. Look I really wish our foreign policy was simply just about Oil, but so many decisions we've made over the past several years has only hurt that cause, not helped it.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    I doubt Kurds can own ISIS, no matter what weapons they get.
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