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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin AT. Thanks for the Pics on the Dam. They say this dam is one of the most dangerous in the world. That's with no warzone being around it. Now the Kurds say they have one side. ISIL the other. BO had to order continuous bombing of the Terrorists in order for the Kurds to manage this. My concern would be ISIL saying screw it and just blow the dam. Which will destroy most of What is left of Iraq.
    there was a piece on the WSJ ( you have to subscribe) that said the peshmerga were aided by all female Syrian recruits ( jihadi?). I can't find any other reference but I did find this.



    a mandate that all women be fully covered in public and that they be accompanied by a male chaperone.

    There are only women in this brigade, and we have given them their own facilities to prevent the mixture of men and women."

    Though women are assuming new, more powerful roles across Syria the U.N. now estimates that one in four displaced families in Syria has a female head residents here say that any "girl power" wrought by the brigade is mitigated by the harsher restrictions they have been tasked with imposing on Raqqa's women.

    ISIS created it to terrorize women,"
    says Abu al-Hamza, a local media activist.
    He says the brigade raided the city's Hamida Taher Girls School and arrested 10 students, two teachers and a secretary on the grounds that some of them were wearing veils that were too thin.
    Others were accused of wearing hair clips under the veil, pinning them in a way that showed too much of their faces.

    Al-Hamza says that the women subsequently spent six hours in an ISIS detention center, where they were whipped.
    "After arresting those women and girls," continues al-Hamza, "they took them to ISIS prisons and locked them in for six hours and punished some of them with 30 whips each."

    "I was walking down the street when a car suddenly stopped and a group of armed women got out," she says.
    "They insulted me and yelled at me. They took me to one of their centers and kept me locked in a room.
    Nobody talked to me or told me the reason for my detention.
    One of the women in the brigade came over, pointing her firearm at me. She then tested my knowledge of prayer, fasting and hijab."

    The fighter told Zainab she had been arrested because she had been walking alone, without an escort, and because her hijab was not worn properly
    . "You should be punished for taking your religion lightly," she told Zainab, before threatening harsher punishment should she be arrested again

    The brigade has created fear among the women and girls of Raqqa," she says.
    "We've seen how they move, always watching women on the street, raiding schools, arresting students and locking them in for hours


    Syria News | Syria Deeply, Covering the Crisis

    so go figure..Islamic State (IS) jihadi, and Syrian..but again I don't know whom are the Syrian brigades?

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Okay that's true Monte. Yes the US has backed terrorists before. Even some that were not considered terrorists at the time. Yes the US is not Perfect Angels. Yes the US has started **** to deal with those that have cost us or affected us. But it is okay for those out there to hurt the US and its people Right? I mean in your eyes.....and from what you have stated around here in each area of US Foreign Policy. The US can never do anything Right? Just screw up according to you, and we should Always avoid confrontation with all others on the Planet. Even if affects us a Country. Even if others kill our people Right?

    Its okay for Others to declare War on the US....Right? Okay for them to kidnap and kill our people.....Right? Destroy our businesses, in whatever way they can, Right? We should never do anything but run away and stick our heads into the sand with our asses up in the air.....Right? I mean That's how your point comes across Monte. That's the US should never even come out of their House. Just hide and do nothing at all times. What do you think the whole Planet is going to hold hands and sing Kumbai-ya in the Future or something? Were you looking for Paradise and or slice of Heaven here where mankind exists?

    You constantly bash the US over their policy yet say nothing of any others Policy whatsoever.....do you think everyone else should be scrutinized as well? What about Russian Policy? Chinese Policy? What about Arab policies? Should they be allowed to do whatever they want? Got any thing to say when they start **** Monte? Other than awww man they shouldn't be doing that.
    Default position is to refer to some sort of anti-Americanism.

    Seems like I've pointed this out to you in the past, but again. It would appear at first that you are unaware that OIL is the interest of America in the Middle East, not humanitarian missions. Those missions are responses, when we see them. As with the current response to IS in northern Iraq. IS, is what they are today, with the strength they have today due to US/Western support for the rebels fighting president Assad in Syria. Rebels that only the least informed deny have been composed of militant Islamists from AQ, MB, al Nusra and others. There was a lot of hand wringing about US arms ending up with them and now its apparent that much did, strengthening and emboldening IS who has spread out of Syria into Iraq and is a threat to other neighbours as well.

    Everything we've done in the ME is related to ensuring the free uninterrupted flow of oil from the ME to all points around the globe. So every drop of blood, rebels, insurgents, terrorists, civilians, diplomats, US soldiers, soldiers from ally countries, all spent to maintain that flow of oil.

    Often times though it backfires, and oil is restricted, or a group like IS fighting president Assad, something that fits nicely with US policy, gets too strong and takes their agenda elsewhere creating a crisis for us, a fire that we now have to go stomp out.

    As to your point that I don't criticise other countries, again, as I have pointed out before, I'm an American, my tax dollars fund US operations, therefore its what the US does that concerns me. Let the Chinese citizens complain about what Chinas doing if they don't like it. If you see something you don't like that the Chinese are doing, voicing a complaint about it here at DP can have no effect.

    I constantly "bash" US policy, and not the policies of others you say. You MMC constantly bash Obama and the Democratic Party, yet hold the GOP up as some sort of standard bearer, when in fact, they are responsible for as much of the problems in the ME as the democrats are. Where's your criticism of Bush, and Bush policy to open wars in A-Stan and Iraq, which started all this **** to begin with? Do you know that a majority of Americans now believe BOTH those wars to have been errors.

    I just can't wait till Americans start paying MORE attention, and denying presidents the opportunity to involve the US in wars of choice, or pre-emptive wars. Syria last summer was promising, with 70% of Americans being against US military intervention there.

    To your claims that I think the US should burry our heads in the sand, never come out of the house and hide and do nothing at all times is preposterous, and I'd prefer to believe that you didn't even mean it, but on your rant just ran afoul of reality a little.

    Another point I've made on repeated occasions is that (though you didn't in this post) people like to through the word isolationist around at folks such as myself, because we prefer a more peaceful, non interfering, non interventionist foreign policy, that may be good for the interests of some in America, but usually are injurious to those in other countries. We never think that the US should turn inward and lock the gates and put our heads in the sand. We should maintain embassies around the world, help with epidemics, aids, starvation, homelessness, water quality, aid in the form of advanced agricultural technology, disaster relief, joint projects like dams and bridges that improve the quality of life for people, the Olympics and tourism, trade/business, and all the other things that are POSITIVE in nature. And we do plenty of that, and I have no criticism with those aspects of US foreign policy and of course, like Ron and Rand Paul as well as many libertarians think that all that should continue.

    You paint a picture of me, my position as being against everything the US does which is far from accurate as should be clear now. My criticism of foreign policy is very limited and FOCUSED!
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Default position is to refer to some sort of anti-Americanism.

    Seems like I've pointed this out to you in the past, but again. It would appear at first that you are unaware that OIL is the interest of America in the Middle East, not humanitarian missions. Those missions are responses, when we see them. As with the current response to IS in northern Iraq. IS, is what they are today, with the strength they have today due to US/Western support for the rebels fighting president Assad in Syria. Rebels that only the least informed deny have been composed of militant Islamists from AQ, MB, al Nusra and others. There was a lot of hand wringing about US arms ending up with them and now its apparent that much did, strengthening and emboldening IS who has spread out of Syria into Iraq and is a threat to other neighbours as well.

    Everything we've done in the ME is related to ensuring the free uninterrupted flow of oil from the ME to all points around the globe. So every drop of blood, rebels, insurgents, terrorists, civilians, diplomats, US soldiers, soldiers from ally countries, all spent to maintain that flow of oil.

    Often times though it backfires, and oil is restricted, or a group like IS fighting president Assad, something that fits nicely with US policy, gets to strong and takes their agenda elsewhere creating a crisis for us, a fire that we now have to go stomp out.

    As to your point that I don't criticise other countries, again, as I have pointed out before, I'm an American, my tax dollars fund US operations, therefore its what the US does that concerns me. Let the Chinese citizens complain about what Chinas doing if they don't like it. If you see something you don't like that the Chinese are doing, voicing a complaint about it here at DP can have no effect.

    I constantly "bash" US policy, and not the policies of others you say. You MMC constantly bash Obama and the Democratic Party, yet hold the GOP up as some sort of standard bearer, when in fact, they are responsible for as much of the problems in the ME as the democrats are. Where's your criticism of Bush, and Bush policy to open wars in A-Stan and Iraq, which started all this **** to begin with? Do you know that a majority of Americans now believe BOTH those wars to have been errors.

    I just can't wait till Americans start paying MORE attention, and denying presidents the opportunity to involve the US in wars of choice, or pre-emptive wars. Syria last summer was promising, with 70% of Americans being against US military intervention there.

    To your claims that I think the US should burry our heads in the sand, never come out of the house and hide and do nothing at all times is preposterous, and I'd prefer to believe that you didn't even mean it, but on your rant just ran afoul of reality a little.

    Another point I've made on repeated occasions is that (though you didn't in this post) people like to through the word isolationist around at folks such as myself, because we prefer a more peaceful, non interfering, non interventionist foreign policy, that may be good for the interests of some in America, but usually are injurious to those in other countries. We never think that the US should turn inward and lock the gates and put our heads in the sand. We should maintain embassies around the world, help with epidemics, aids, starvation, homelessness, water quality, aid in the form of advanced agricultural technology, disaster relief, joint projects like dams and bridge that improve the quality of life for people, the Olympics and tourism, trade/business, and all the other things that are POSITIVE in nature. And we do plenty of that, and I have no criticism with those aspects of US foreign policy and of course, like Ron and Rand Paul as well as many libertarians think that all that should continue.

    You paint a picture of me, my position as being against everything the US does which is far from accurate as should be clear now. My criticism of foreign policy is very limited and FOCUSED!
    ^ is well thought out, there are a few areas I'd disagree with - i'm fine with US power projection, but not mindless interventionism.
    Also al-Nusra doesn't fight with IS..there was a brief period when they did, but now they are enemies.. But I do agree we have been way crazy with the interventionism. Monte.

    have a good day!

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Default position is to refer to some sort of anti-Americanism.

    Seems like I've pointed this out to you in the past, but again. It would appear at first that you are unaware that OIL is the interest of America in the Middle East, not humanitarian missions. Those missions are responses, when we see them. As with the current response to IS in northern Iraq. IS, is what they are today, with the strength they have today due to US/Western support for the rebels fighting president Assad in Syria. Rebels that only the least informed deny have been composed of militant Islamists from AQ, MB, al Nusra and others. There was a lot of hand wringing about US arms ending up with them and now its apparent that much did, strengthening and emboldening IS who has spread out of Syria into Iraq and is a threat to other neighbours as well.

    Everything we've done in the ME is related to ensuring the free uninterrupted flow of oil from the ME to all points around the globe. So every drop of blood, rebels, insurgents, terrorists, civilians, diplomats, US soldiers, soldiers from ally countries, all spent to maintain that flow of oil.

    Often times though it backfires, and oil is restricted, or a group like IS fighting president Assad, something that fits nicely with US policy, gets to strong and takes their agenda elsewhere creating a crisis for us, a fire that we now have to go stomp out.

    As to your point that I don't criticise other countries, again, as I have pointed out before, I'm an American, my tax dollars fund US operations, therefore its what the US does that concerns me. Let the Chinese citizens complain about what Chinas doing if they don't like it. If you see something you don't like that the Chinese are doing, voicing a complaint about it here at DP can have no effect.

    I constantly "bash" US policy, and not the policies of others you say. You MMC constantly bash Obama and the Democratic Party, yet hold the GOP up as some sort of standard bearer, when in fact, they are responsible for as much of the problems in the ME as the democrats are. Where's your criticism of Bush, and Bush policy to open wars in A-Stan and Iraq, which started all this **** to begin with? Do you know that a majority of Americans now believe BOTH those wars to have been errors.

    I just can't wait till Americans start paying MORE attention, and denying presidents the opportunity to involve the US in wars of choice, or pre-emptive wars. Syria last summer was promising, with 70% of Americans being against US military intervention there.

    To your claims that I think the US should burry our heads in the sand, never come out of the house and hide and do nothing at all times is preposterous, and I'd prefer to believe that you didn't even mean it, but on your rant just ran afoul of reality a little.

    Another point I've made on repeated occasions is that (though you didn't in this post) people like to through the word isolationist around at folks such as myself, because we prefer a more peaceful, non interfering, non interventionist foreign policy, that may be good for the interests of some in America, but usually are injurious to those in other countries. We never think that the US should turn inward and lock the gates and put our heads in the sand. We should maintain embassies around the world, help with epidemics, aids, starvation, homelessness, water quality, aid in the form of advanced agricultural technology, disaster relief, joint projects like dams and bridge that improve the quality of life for people, the Olympics and tourism, trade/business, and all the other things that are POSITIVE in nature. And we do plenty of that, and I have no criticism with those aspects of US foreign policy and of course, like Ron and Rand Paul as well as many libertarians think that all that should continue.

    You paint a picture of me, my position as being against everything the US does which is far from accurate as should be clear now. My criticism of foreign policy is very limited and FOCUSED!


    Yeah, well you werent around when I Bashed Bush or the Neo Cons. Bringing up Bush and harping on how two wrongs doesn't get it Right. Isnt saying much of what is going on today. In present time. You just don't like it that I will jump BO who has no experience at ANY leadership. Or those Democrats and their Policies that haven't worked. Which many of them spring up from those Democrats.....NGO's and NFPS. Which I am not going to get off into the differences of their ideologies. But that's who in control now and that is who is pressing such in others countries. Which this says nothing of those Democrats who themselves are questioning his FP.


    Oh and it is limited.....as it doesn't consider what actions. Stem from others......from other countries. Who created specific problems for us. That don't stop and continue to do so. Which requires that we respond. Which doesn't give us any luxury of avoiding whats brought our way.

    That's including when just providing all that humanitarian Aid.....and us going about our own business.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    ^ is well thought out, there are a few areas I'd disagree with - i'm fine with US power projection, but not mindless interventionism.
    Also al-Nusra doesn't fight with IS..there was a brief period when they did, but now they are enemies.. But I do agree we have been way crazy with the interventionism. Monte.

    have a good day!
    Thanks annata. I'm well aware of the fact that there was a lot of morphing going on in Syria with regards to the make-up of the various groups there sometimes co-operating with one another, sometimes bickering, etc.. And I don't believe the US ever had a complete handle on that. And that resulted in arms, arms pilfered from Gaddafi's military ending up in the hands of people that are now hurting others, innocent people, which means now we feel compelled to go intervene there!! This **** is ****ed up. I want to see us with a government that's smarter than that dumb ass Bush, and stronger than Obama, that works true security in the ME, and not advance policy that destabilises and inflames the region. Just one example, president Assad would have smacked down any of those jihadists coming into his country, had they not had the support of the US/West/Qatar, etc. and there are now 160,000 dead civilians in Syria. Not very humanitarian.

    Also, there could be times that I would support US power projection, namely due to an unprovoked attack on our country, which includes our territories and embassies around the world, etc. though the key there being, unprovoked. Lets have co-operative policies in the ME. The free flow of oil can be beneficial for everyone, even the countries in the ME that are producers. But if other stronger countries or coalitions of countries are exploitive, greedy, well, that's a problem.
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    there was a piece on the WSJ ( you have to subscribe) that said the peshmerga were aided by all female Syrian recruits ( jihadi?). I can't find any other reference but I did find this.



    a mandate that all women be fully covered in public and that they be accompanied by a male chaperone.

    There are only women in this brigade, and we have given them their own facilities to prevent the mixture of men and women."

    Though women are assuming new, more powerful roles across Syria – the U.N. now estimates that one in four displaced families in Syria has a female head – residents here say that any "girl power" wrought by the brigade is mitigated by the harsher restrictions they have been tasked with imposing on Raqqa's women.

    ISIS created it to terrorize women,"
    says Abu al-Hamza, a local media activist.
    He says the brigade raided the city's Hamida Taher Girls School and arrested 10 students, two teachers and a secretary on the grounds that some of them were wearing veils that were too thin.
    Others were accused of wearing hair clips under the veil, pinning them in a way that showed too much of their faces.

    Al-Hamza says that the women subsequently spent six hours in an ISIS detention center, where they were whipped.
    "After arresting those women and girls," continues al-Hamza, "they took them to ISIS prisons and locked them in for six hours and punished some of them with 30 whips each."

    "I was walking down the street when a car suddenly stopped and a group of armed women got out," she says.
    "They insulted me and yelled at me. They took me to one of their centers and kept me locked in a room.
    Nobody talked to me or told me the reason for my detention.
    One of the women in the brigade came over, pointing her firearm at me. She then tested my knowledge of prayer, fasting and hijab."

    The fighter told Zainab she had been arrested because she had been walking alone, without an escort, and because her hijab was not worn properly
    . "You should be punished for taking your religion lightly," she told Zainab, before threatening harsher punishment should she be arrested again

    The brigade has created fear among the women and girls of Raqqa," she says.
    "We've seen how they move, always watching women on the street, raiding schools, arresting students and locking them in for hours


    Syria News | Syria Deeply, Covering the Crisis

    so go figure..Islamic State (IS) jihadi, and Syrian..but again I don't know whom are the Syrian brigades?


    I heard this morning the Kurds used the women to help take back most of the dam. Here is a small bit on them I had.

    Meet The Women Fighting ISIS in Iraq....



    More from the New York Post:

    Hundreds of mothers, sisters and daughters have taken up arms and devoted their lives to protecting Iraq’s Kurdish population against the threat of the Islamic State. Known as the women peshmerga of the 2nd Battalion, the group is made up of 550 female fighters led by Col. Nahida Ahmad Rashid, Barcroft reports.....snip~

    Meet The Women Fighting ISIS in Iraq - Katie Pavlich

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Thanks annata. I'm well aware of the fact that there was a lot of morphing going on in Syria with regards to the make-up of the various groups there sometimes co-operating with one another, sometimes bickering, etc.. And I don't believe the US ever had a complete handle on that. And that resulted in arms, arms pilfered from Gaddafi's military ending up in the hands of people that are now hurting others, innocent people, which means now we feel compelled to go intervene there!! This **** is ****ed up. I want to see us with a government that's smarter than that dumb ass Bush, and stronger than Obama, that works true security in the ME, and not advance policy that destabilises and inflames the region. Just one example, president Assad would have smacked down any of those jihadists coming into his country, had they not had the support of the US/West/Qatar, etc. and there are now 160,000 dead civilians in Syria. Not very humanitarian.

    Also, there could be times that I would support US power projection, namely due to an unprovoked attack on our country, which includes our territories and embassies around the world, etc. though the key there being, unprovoked. Lets have co-operative policies in the ME. The free flow of oil can be beneficial for everyone, even the countries in the ME that are producers. But if other stronger countries or coalitions of countries are exploitive, greedy, well, that's a problem.
    yes. Qatar/Iran/SA/ ..it's hard not to think of surrogates who use the factions in Syria towards there own ends.
    By "power projection" I use the term as akin to keeping sea lanes open, or the pirates off Somalia, or ABM systems..not actual use of power.
    I use it as meaning the "carry a big stick" like Teddy Roosevelt's quote ("speak softly but carry a big stick"). NATO is another ex. In practicality we guarantee Europe's defense,
    even though Article 5 calls for mutual defense.

    It's something we are tasked with - I'm Tibetan Buddhist Mahayana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . I'm in the US, but am keenly aware China's ambitions are just sphere of influence in Asia.
    As are Russian in Europe. The US has it's sphere -like the Monroe Doctrine - but we also have global security concerns; something China and Russia cannot be rusted to accomplish.

    American Exceptionalism -warts and all -it's just something we have to do,

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    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    yes. Qatar/Iran/SA/ ..it's hard not to think of surrogates who use the factions in Syria towards there own ends.
    By "power projection" I use the term as akin to keeping sea lanes open, or the pirates off Somalia, or ABM systems..not actual use of power.
    I use it as meaning the "carry a big stick" like Teddy Roosevelt's quote ("speak softly but carry a big stick"). NATO is another ex. In practicality we guarantee Europe's defense,
    even though Article 5 calls for mutual defense.

    It's something we are tasked with - I'm Tibetan Buddhist Mahayana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . I'm in the US, but am keenly aware China's ambitions are just sphere of influence in Asia.
    As are Russian in Europe. The US has it's sphere -like the Monroe Doctrine - but we also have global security concerns; something China and Russia cannot be rusted to accomplish.

    American Exceptionalism -warts and all -it's just something we have to do,
    Good link. All those types of power projection, I generally haven't an issue with, although, such things always 'look' better, and are more legitimate when conducted by coalitions, even so, that has its shortcomings as well. Every country needs a DoD, however, some countries, chief among them is the US, have DoO's. and that is what leads to problems. We are in agreement that China doesn't presently have global military ambitions, but regional, and aim to deny the US any intervention in the China sea. The Pentagons last report to congress states that that's their position on China as well.
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Attachment 67171548
    Smoke rises from the direction of Mosul dam
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    The Mosul dam is Iraq's largest and was overrun by militants on 7 August

    BBC News - Kurdish forces 'break IS hold on Mosul dam'
    Kurdish forces in northern Iraq are in near complete control of Iraq's largest dam after ousting Islamic State (IS) militants, Kurdish officials say.

    Ground forces supported by US air strikes launched the operation to take Mosul dam on Sunday morning.

    Kurdish sources said they were still trying to clear mines and booby traps from the area round the dam, a process which could take several hours.
    This is why we need to keep this scum hunkered in caves in the hills. As they get bigger and better weapons they USE THEM to kill more people and achieve greater objectives. Obama pulling out enabled this if he intended to lose Iraq why not run under that promise? "End the war in Iraq" my butt.


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