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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are you subtlety accusing American citizens who are pointing out failed US policies in the ME, of wishing to harm America?
    As I said, I am never quite sure. You see, the disclosures of what NSA was doing internationally was quite legitimate and not at all a "failed" policy. When people go running around praising Snowden, the people out there interpret that form their understanding as support of their politics. Russia has gained considerably from this discussion relative to the US and this will be very expensive too the citizens of the US. And as I say, watch RT. They are very clever. They know Americans will say things that are okay if everyone knows the context. Outside the domestic pattern of understanding, however, the things have a very different meaning and make the US appear criminal, when it is fully okay, what it was doing, if the context is understood.This does damage. These people do very real damage.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    As I said, I am never quite sure. You see, the disclosures of what NSA was doing internationally was quite legitimate and not at all a "failed" policy. When people go running around praising Snowden, the people out there interpret that form their understanding as support of their politics. Russia has gained considerably from this discussion relative to the US and this will be very expensive too the citizens of the US. And as I say, watch RT. They are very clever. They know Americans will say things that are okay if everyone knows the context. Outside the domestic pattern of understanding, however, the things have a very different meaning and make the US appear criminal, when it is fully okay, what it was doing, if the context is understood.This does damage. These people do very real damage.
    I think that's a 'yes'!!!!
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is rather a mess out there right now and we cannot really rely on reports from the field. Essentially it is the same problem as on any battlefield. The fogs are dense.

    Well.....when the Kurds say they are moving towards them again and need heavy weapons. I tend to go with what they are saying. As they have to try and get in range to take out any of the Terrorists.

    Moreover.....the Iraqis themselves say they will have an Army on the ground to engage. Can't take them out by droning and by Air. Of course the Iraqis do have to do more than just talk.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well perhaps Obama lies again.

    President Obama announced Thursday that U.S.-led airstrikes have broken the siege by Islamic militants against religious minorities who were trapped on a mountain in northern Iraq -- but made clear the U.S. mission in the region is not over yet.

    Obama says militant siege broken

    Morning bud!



    Yep.....as usual he lied and didn't know what he was talking about. His usual!


    Kurds fight to retake Iraq's largest dam after 'massacre'

    Kurdish forces backed by US warplanes battled on Saturday to retake Iraq's largest dam from jihadist fighters, a day after militants carried out a "massacre" of dozens of villagers. Buoyed by the air strikes US President Barack Obama ordered last week, the peshmerga fighters have tried to claw back the ground they lost since the start of August.

    Senior Kurdish official Hoshyar Zebari said that in the village of Kocho, jihadists on Friday "took their revenge on its inhabitants, who happened to be mostly Yazidis who did not flee their homes". Zebari put the toll at around 80 people killed in Kocho, while a senior official of one of Iraq's main Kurdish parties said 81 people had lost their lives, and a Yazidi activist said the death toll could be even higher. The village lies near the northwestern town of Sinjar, which the jihadists stormed on August 3, sending tens of thousands of civilians, many of them Yazidi Kurds, fleeing onto Mount Sinjar to the north.....snip~

    Kurds fight to retake Iraq's largest dam after 'massacre'


    That's Friday and Saturday.....then there is today as well. All after BO took some Kudos for his strikes that only slowed them down for a minute.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yep.....as usual he lied and didn't know what he was talking about. His usual!


    Kurds fight to retake Iraq's largest dam after 'massacre'

    Kurdish forces backed by US warplanes battled on Saturday to retake Iraq's largest dam from jihadist fighters, a day after militants carried out a "massacre" of dozens of villagers. Buoyed by the air strikes US President Barack Obama ordered last week, the peshmerga fighters have tried to claw back the ground they lost since the start of August.

    Senior Kurdish official Hoshyar Zebari said that in the village of Kocho, jihadists on Friday "took their revenge on its inhabitants, who happened to be mostly Yazidis who did not flee their homes". Zebari put the toll at around 80 people killed in Kocho, while a senior official of one of Iraq's main Kurdish parties said 81 people had lost their lives, and a Yazidi activist said the death toll could be even higher. The village lies near the northwestern town of Sinjar, which the jihadists stormed on August 3, sending tens of thousands of civilians, many of them Yazidi Kurds, fleeing onto Mount Sinjar to the north.....snip~

    Kurds fight to retake Iraq's largest dam after 'massacre'


    That's Friday and Saturday.....then there is today as well. All after BO took some Kudos for his strikes that only slowed them down for a minute.
    As you well know, I'm quite disgusted with the whole mess, and consider it reprehensible that our ME policies are causing the very things that so many people want us to go fight. I presume that Obama's airstrikes are being criticised by people who would prefer we put boots on the ground again and get all bogged down again with more wasted blood and treasure. Damn it man, when are we going to stop being part of the problem and become part of the solution, a generic and rhetorical question not necessarily intended for you to answer, MMC.
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As you well know, I'm quite disgusted with the whole mess, and consider it reprehensible that our ME policies are causing the very things that so many people want us to go fight. I presume that Obama's airstrikes are being criticised by people who would prefer we put boots on the ground again and get all bogged down again with more wasted blood and treasure. Damn it man, when are we going to stop being part of the problem and become part of the solution, a generic and rhetorical question not necessarily intended for you to answer, MMC.

    No, most military strategists said that his Air-Strikes will have little effect. You can read Jane or Stratfor. They said it takes an Army on the ground to take these guys out. They didn't say specifically the US.

    Also all the Terrorists have to do is take out the dam.....and then things really amp-up then.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    No, most military strategists said that his Air-Strikes will have little effect. You can read Jane or Stratfor. They said it takes an Army on the ground to take these guys out. They didn't say specifically the US.

    Also all the Terrorists have to do is take out the dam.....and then things really amp-up then.
    I hope you didn't mistake my points for support of the airstrikes!? And I hope you didn't ignore my main complaint.
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I hope you didn't mistake my points for support of the airstrikes!? And I hope you didn't ignore my main complaint.

    Yeah, there should be support for Airstrikes and from everybody.....don't forget they were talking strategy. Meaning it wont stop them until there is an Army in front of them.

    Not that.....every little bit wouldn't help.

    That's how they got the Majority of the Christians out. It was the Kurds in Syria that cleared a path to let them out that way. Not back into Iraq where the press is on.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, there should be support for Airstrikes and from everybody.....don't forget they were talking strategy. Meaning it wont stop them until there is an Army in front of them.

    Not that.....every little bit wouldn't help.

    That's how they got the Majority of the Christians out. It was the Kurds in Syria that cleared a path to let them out that way. Not back into Iraq where the press is on.
    "Everybody" will never support the airstrikes, nor much of our incompetent policies in the ME.
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    "Everybody" will never support the airstrikes, nor much of our incompetent policies in the ME.
    Those that don't should be scrutinized very intensely. Just sayin.

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