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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Keep changing the topic; it still doesn't mask your views on the matter, which BTW are similar if not identical to Obama's.
    Oh that's too funny. You'd be the only one that thinks I view the ME as Obama.
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Funny how groups of terrorists are arbitrarily moved onto and off of terror lists as such (though PKK remains on it presently) its quite obvious that the 'War on Terror' is a joke.
    I hope you're right. Lindsay Graham and Dianne Feinstein disagree. U.S. lawmakers warn of ISIS attack on American soil, urge strong response to Islamic terrorists in Iraq | National Post

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    All of this is invalidated by the fact that Obama did respond, conducted air strikes that successfully arrested IS advances on the Yazidi's.

    Heya Monte. It didn't stop the advances.....as they are still advancing.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Funny how groups of terrorists are arbitrarily moved onto and off of terror lists as such (though PKK remains on it presently) its quite obvious that the 'War on Terror' is a joke.

    The MEK was recently de-listed.

    Our consistency in arming and supporting terrorist groups is the problem in the ME region.

    An Abrams tank costs $4.3 million. An F-16 fighter jet is $45 million. Thus, another $1.760 billion of taxpayer funding has been used to further enhance the Muslim Brotherhood’s military capability. Yet when the amendment was defeated, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) contended the alternative was far worse, including “a loss of thousands of American jobs,” and “more than two billion dollars in contract-termination penalties for U.S. taxpayers.” In other words, the arming of a nation dominated by Islamists with interests completely inimical to the United States is the “lesser of two evils.”
    We didn't really "arm" the PKK. Peshmerga is fighting for its survival against genocidal fanatics, and they're partnering with a now-peaceful-towards-NATO group to do so. Do they have to follow lock-step with our foreign policy to be worthy of aid? Should they not partner with whoever wants to work with them when fighting for their continued existence, just because a different country designates those allies as terrorists?

    I agree with you about MEK, by the way.
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Right about what? My position isn't that terrorists ( militant Islamic jihadist groups) aren't dangerous or even a potential threat to the US mainland. But that groups are added and removed from terrorist lists for political expediency, and that US support of militant Islamic groups for decades now, has exacerbated the current ME crisis. Policy, or incompetence.
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    We didn't really "arm" the PKK. ......
    Of course not. But there are people that want that to be the understanding and tell that story ad nauseam well knowing it to be a false allegation. The problem with that type of disinformation is that it often sticks in the international mind and hurts attitudes towards the US. Whether the people want to hurt the country is always difficult to tell. But if you watch RT you will encounter it continuously.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    We didn't really "arm" the PKK. Peshmerga is fighting for its survival against genocidal fanatics, and they're partnering with a now-peaceful-towards-NATO group to do so. Do they have to follow lock-step with our foreign policy to be worthy of aid? Should they not partner with whoever wants to work with them when fighting for their continued existence, just because a different country designates those allies as terrorists?

    I agree with you about MEK, by the way.
    Erdogan's has been moving Turkey away from the secular gains made by predecessors. PKK is probably pleased with this. I'm simply amazed at the way groups are labeled and de-labeled (is that a word, lol) for political expediency. Funded and supported in one front, fought in another. Hell, we even recognised the MB in Egypt, and were prepared to give them 450 million in aid including tanks and fighters. I just see our ME policy as insane. And if there was peace across the region now, it would prove my position wrong. Btw, I didn't single out the PKK as having been armed by the US. I'm comparing the fact that our arms destined for the "good (lol) guys" in Syria, as predicted ended up in the hands of the bad guys, due in part to the reason we have all the handwringing over IS now. And then, we have PKK fighting along side the Kurds we're arming in northern Iraq. Some lessons never learned, a policy of destabilisation, incompetence............
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Monte. It didn't stop the advances.....as they are still advancing.
    It is rather a mess out there right now and we cannot really rely on reports from the field. Essentially it is the same problem as on any battlefield. The fogs are dense.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Of course not. But there are people that want that to be the understanding and tell that story ad nauseam well knowing it to be a false allegation. The problem with that type of disinformation is that it often sticks in the international mind and hurts attitudes towards the US. Whether the people want to hurt the country is always difficult to tell. But if you watch RT you will encounter it continuously.
    Are you subtlety accusing American citizens who are pointing out failed US policies in the ME, of wishing to harm America?
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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Monte. It didn't stop the advances.....as they are still advancing.
    Well perhaps Obama lies again.

    President Obama announced Thursday that U.S.-led airstrikes have broken the siege by Islamic militants against religious minorities who were trapped on a mountain in northern Iraq -- but made clear the U.S. mission in the region is not over yet.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...rt-not-needed/

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