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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What the hell does all that have to do with the FACT that Libyans had it better when Gaddafi was there.
    Well, in almost every respect, Japan was better off at the time of this than they were during WW2 (or before hand to be more specific). But to this man, that didn't matter. The existence to him was a hollow one. This sentiment was by the way shared by Japanese people as a whole, who were awakened to their heritage, and didn't want to repeat the mistakes of the Mejii period. It's why today you see a lot of Anime that glorify that period and those ideas.

    Wait a minute, you seen The Last Samurai right? Some people are going to put religion over quality of life. That's what happened with at least a portion of the people in Lybia is all I'm saying.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Plus, there's the question of our security and economic interests. An off-hands approach to the Taliban in Afghanistan didn't do us much good at all.
    That depends on who one blames for 9/11

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    as you demonstrate daily.
    Why do you lie in attempt to discredit others?

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Well, let me know when you are willing and capable of recognizing the logic and reason of the opposing position.
    I will admit that puts me in a bind as I am already able to do that, even though understand their position does not mean I agree with it. It is understandable that one would put humanitarian needs ahead of lives or treasure, I get that, but I think it is a fruitless act in this scenario. In south america, africa, asia, elsewhere, sure, but not in the middle east.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why do you lie in attempt to discredit others?
    Quote the entire post for honesty and PROOF!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I agree that their cultural change must come from within, but I don't see a problem with containing the excesses of their cultural shifts or catalyzing the process. If a group threatens to reverse progress through extreme violence, as ISIS does, then we should prevent it from doing so. If people are trying to change their own culture but cannot due to a dictator (Syria and Libya), we should help them.

    Plus, there's the question of our security and economic interests. An off-hands approach to the Taliban in Afghanistan didn't do us much good at all.
    When the arab spring happened, I was a huge supporter and if something similar happens in Iraq, I will again be supportive, but that needs to happen first or else we will just continuously trade one dictator for another and make no real gains.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Well, in almost every respect, Japan was better off at the time of this than they were during WW2 (or before hand to be more specific). But to this man, that didn't matter. The existence to him was a hollow one. This sentiment was by the way shared by Japanese people as a whole, who were awakened to their heritage, and didn't want to repeat the mistakes of the Mejii period. It's why today you see a lot of Anime that glorify that period and those ideas.

    Wait a minute, you seen The Last Samurai right? Some people are going to put religion over quality of life. That's what happened with at least a portion of the people in Lybia is all I'm saying.
    I think I agree with you??
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    When the arab spring happened, I was a huge supporter and if something similar happens in Iraq, I will again be supportive, but that needs to happen first or else we will just continuously trade one dictator for another and make no real gains.
    We can presume the victims of genocide protest.

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    When the arab spring happened, I was a huge supporter and if something similar happens in Iraq, I will again be supportive, but that needs to happen first or else we will just continuously trade one dictator for another and make no real gains.
    Actually, we'll trade one dictator for many Islamic jihadists, and have blatant losses! Which is in fact what we have all over the region, so, destabilisation is the policy, or, years of incompetence. Whichever makes one feel better.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS massacres 90 Yazidis in Northern Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We can presume the victims of genocide protest.
    When they reach critical mass and we clearly designate them from embedded guerrillas, then we can help them because they are willing to be helped. Some people are always going to be screwed over, i hate it, but I am also a realist, we cant afford this war and we cant afford to piss money and lives away on a task that cannot realistically be accomplished (or a lot of the social spending for those who want to jump on that and derail)

    as a nation we should be seeking ways to maximize return on our investments and this is a failed investment. if that situation ever changes, I will have reason to change my opinion.

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