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Navy reverses Bible ban

Psst ... it was a joke

It's not always obvious! I've no visual cues, audio cues, not even a elbow poke to the ribs (nudge, nudge, wink wink). :D
 
Bad argument. Regardless of whether or not the bibles are in the room, people have access to a bible.

So what? If the Gideons are banned from placing the Bible in the rooms, the guests don't have the convenience of the Gideon Bible in their room without having to go ask for one. Probably the huge majority of people using the room never open the Bible that is there, but for the few who might be inclined to do so, they could be quite grateful that it is there to pick up and read as the spirit moves them. And whether somebody cares whether the Bible is there or doesn't notice it is there or never is motivated to pick it up and read it, what possible harm is it to anybody for that Bible to be in the drawer?
 
Although FOX is stupid I've noticed this "Freedom from Religion" group poppiing up everywhere now.

Who are these assholes? Religion was never inherently evil, only a few of its followers were (because every atheist is a saint...)

the FFR is basically the westborough of atheism. the sole goal is to sue any mention of God in a public setting which of course is unconstitutional.
basically they target small communities that don't have the money to fight back and they pick on high school kids and such.

as you would and even i would define westborough church as a hate group this is a hate group with a huge angst toward Christianity.

what they don't realize is that the constitution doesn't give freedom from religion it gives freedom of religion. basically it says that the government can't tell you how to worship or who to worship.

this group has started to lose court cases recently as judges start enforcing the constitution.
 
So what? If the Gideons are banned from placing the Bible in the rooms, the guests don't have the convenience of the Gideon Bible in their room without having to go ask for one. Probably the huge majority of people using the room never open the Bible that is there, but for the few who might be inclined to do so, they could be quite grateful that it is there to pick up and read as the spirit moves them. And whether somebody cares whether the Bible is there or doesn't notice it is there or never is motivated to pick it up and read it, what possible harm is it to anybody for that Bible to be in the drawer?

All of that is well and good, and I'm always glad when a person picks up a bible and accepts Christ. But the argument that I responded to was talking about access. One has access to a bible whether or not there is one left in the room that they are staying at.
 
So? It shouldn't matter if they are or are not there. As with any religion or really anything that you wish to read, you should bring your own. Just because people are used to something doesn't mean they have a right to it.

just because you don't like the bible doesn't mean you get to deny other people from using it. the government didn't buy it. it was donated free of charge etc...
it does no harm to you as you don't believe in God and no one is forcing you to read it.

what is even more concerning is if you are not even allowed to stay there if you are not a military person then it has 0 effect on you.
 
The Gideons are permitted to leave their tree-murdering propaganda in an act of breathtaking patronising condescension. They presume that their message is needed if not wanted, where it is not. In this case, their activity is by default endorsed by the government.
If people have need of such a pubilcation they can bring it with them.

is someone forcing you to even open it? nope have a nice day.
 
just because you don't like the bible doesn't mean you get to deny other people from using it. the government didn't buy it. it was donated free of charge etc...
it does no harm to you as you don't believe in God and no one is forcing you to read it.

what is even more concerning is if you are not even allowed to stay there if you are not a military person then it has 0 effect on you.

You have no idea what her beliefs are. Additionally she's USN
 
God Bless the Giddeons for t heir kindness and generosity.
 
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All of that is well and good, and I'm always glad when a person picks up a bible and accepts Christ. But the argument that I responded to was talking about access. One has access to a bible whether or not there is one left in the room that they are staying at.

This is true but that is immaterial to the argument. I have no idea how many people might have picked up a Gideon Bible and accepted Christ, but that was not made into any kind of issue by the Gideons or anybody else. For well over a hundred years now, the Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotel and motel rooms and similar locations--they are closing in on two billion of them in fact. They ask nothing and expect nothing of those who accept the Bibles and usually have no clue whether anybody ever even opens one much less reads it. They don't make a fuss if somebody rejects their offer of the Bibles.

None of us know when somebody in despair in the middle of the night might turn to the scriptures for comfort or encouragement. There have been stories of people who have found just the right encouraging hand written note somebody placed in a Gideon Bible or somebody found a $20 bill or $100 bill somebody has placed there probably with a prayer that somebody who needed it would find it. It wouldn't be the same if folks had to go to the front desk--if it is even open in the middle of the night--and ask for a Bible. The Gideon Bibles are more than a century-old tradition and, in my opinion, one of the small but good things about America that blesses us. It would be wrong to ban the Bibles from being placed in the rooms. They harm nobody and likely help many.
 
I wonder how NP would react to the Navy placing a Koran in all of its quarters.

If the room was inhabited by Islamists I would not have a problem with it my left wing friend.
 
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This is true but that is immaterial to the argument. I have no idea how many people might have picked up a Gideon Bible and accepted Christ, but that was not made into any kind of issue by the Gideons or anybody else. For well over a hundred years now, the Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotel and motel rooms and similar locations--they are closing in on two billion of them in fact. They ask nothing and expect nothing of those who accept the Bibles and usually have no clue whether anybody ever even opens one much less reads it. They don't make a fuss if somebody rejects their offer of the Bibles.

None of us know when somebody in despair in the middle of the night might turn to the scriptures for comfort or encouragement. There have been stories of people who have found just the right encouraging hand written note somebody placed in a Gideon Bible or somebody found a $20 bill or $100 bill somebody has placed there probably with a prayer that somebody who needed it would find it. It wouldn't be the same if folks had to go to the front desk--if it is even open in the middle of the night--and ask for a Bible. The Gideon Bibles are more than a century-old tradition and, in my opinion, one of the small but good things about America that blesses us. It would be wrong to ban the Bibles from being placed in the rooms. They harm nobody and likely help many.

All of which doesn't further your argument of people having or not having access to a bible.
 
All of which doesn't further your argument of people having or not having access to a bible.

Unless they bring a Bible with them, if the Gideon Bibles are banned from the rooms unless somebody goes to ask for one, then there is no access to a Bible in the room. The access to a Bible is in every room when the Gideons are allowed to put them there. Now you can nitpick and split hairs about that until the cows come home, but that's the fact Jack and this discussion is getting really silly.
 
There should no problem for navy personnel to bring their own personal bibles on board of their ships or in their barracks. There should also be no problem with them asking for a bible if they want one from their priest (to borrow for example). The navy however should not pay for bibles or automatically provide them for everyone serving in the navy.

The navy should be focused at doing their duty in accordance with the laws of the United States, not on the religious beliefs of their personnel, nor promoting one religion over another.

I am an atheist but why should I care if I would have been in the navy and somebody else had a bible with him, as long as he didn't bother me with it I could care less, but that is just my opinion.
 
If the room was inhabited by Islamists I would not have a problem with it my left wing friend.

I would just as I would have a problem with the Navy placing Bibles in all the rooms. I don't want my tax payer dollars going for either scenario. But the Navy is NOT placing Bibles anywhere. They simply allowed the Gideons to donate Bibles to be placed in the Navy Lodge rooms and for the life of me I can't see how anybody would have a problem with that.
 
I would just as I would have a problem with the Navy placing Bibles in all the rooms. I don't want my tax payer dollars going for either scenario. But the Navy is NOT placing Bibles anywhere. They simply allowed the Gideons to donate Bibles to be placed in the Navy Lodge rooms and for the life of me I can't see how anybody would have a problem with that.

So they are promoting that religion by placing them automatically in the rooms. Now if the person staying there would ask for one and they would provide him one free of charge that would solve the problem. If I would find a bible I did not ask for I would bring it to reception with the message that they could put it back after I had departed or that they provide one on a need to have/ask to have one only.

But then I even throw away the local church booklet away as soon as it lands on my doorstep. I asked the person bringing it around to not deliver it to me because it traveled from the doormat automatically to the old paper carton (which gets collected every week). The same goes with any unwanted piece of paper that is delivered to me. If someone would be foolish enough to bring a bible house to house it too would be thrown out with the old paper, the same goes with a qu'aran, torah, watch tower, etc. etc. etc.

People who come peddling their faith to the door get it closed quickly but friendly (don't swear at them, just say not interested) and swing the door shut.

So make it easy, give out those bibles on a want to have basis.
 
So they are promoting that religion by placing them automatically in the rooms. Now if the person staying there would ask for one and they would provide him one free of charge that would solve the problem. If I would find a bible I did not ask for I would bring it to reception with the message that they could put it back after I had departed or that they provide one on a need to have/ask to have one only.

But then I even throw away the local church booklet away as soon as it lands on my doorstep. I asked the person bringing it around to not deliver it to me because it traveled from the doormat automatically to the old paper carton (which gets collected every week). The same goes with any unwanted piece of paper that is delivered to me. If someone would be foolish enough to bring a bible house to house it too would be thrown out with the old paper, the same goes with a qu'aran, torah, watch tower, etc. etc. etc.

People who come peddling their faith to the door get it closed quickly but friendly (don't swear at them, just say not interested) and swing the door shut.

So make it easy, give out those bibles on a want to have basis.

Much easier to just place the donated Bibles in the rooms and forget them. But you think that would somehow promote religion more than would be giving the registering guests instructions of how to get use of a Bible if he/she wanted one? Think about that and see how utterly silly your argument is.
 
Much easier to just place the donated Bibles in the rooms and forget them. But you think that would somehow promote religion more than would be giving the registering guests instructions of how to get use of a Bible if he/she wanted one? Think about that and see how utterly silly your argument is.

There is nothing silly about only giving a bible to people who specifically ask for one. That would be the easiest way to prevent people taking offense at promotional bibles in rooms.
 
Leave it to FOX News to take a story out of context, and tell a lie for political purposes. But that's FOX News, where you have to take their stories with a shaker of salt.

The Navy never banned Bibles. They only stopped putting them in the quarters of Navy personnel. Personnel were still allowed to have Bibles. So all that's happened is that the Navy is putting Bibles in their quarters again.

Sheesh!!

Yeah, let's burn'em. Burn the Bibles, yeah. Bad Bible, bad! :roll: I doubt the Navy even pays for them.
 
You have no idea what her beliefs are. Additionally she's USN

again how is a bible in a drawer that someone doesn't believe exist hurting them. the only way that something can hurt you or offend you is if it exists.
they obviously don't believe the bibles should be in the room given their statement.
 
So they are promoting that religion by placing them automatically in the rooms. Now if the person staying there would ask for one and they would provide him one free of charge that would solve the problem. If I would find a bible I did not ask for I would bring it to reception with the message that they could put it back after I had departed or that they provide one on a need to have/ask to have one only.

But then I even throw away the local church booklet away as soon as it lands on my doorstep. I asked the person bringing it around to not deliver it to me because it traveled from the doormat automatically to the old paper carton (which gets collected every week). The same goes with any unwanted piece of paper that is delivered to me. If someone would be foolish enough to bring a bible house to house it too would be thrown out with the old paper, the same goes with a qu'aran, torah, watch tower, etc. etc. etc.

People who come peddling their faith to the door get it closed quickly but friendly (don't swear at them, just say not interested) and swing the door shut.

So make it easy, give out those bibles on a want to have basis.

i then have to ask how something in a drawer that you won't read actually hurts you? it doesn't.
 
Okay. If I accept a Christmas or birthday present I provided it. It was my doing and not the person who bought, wrapped, and presented the gift. Gotcha. Geez, do you really believe that? Do you honestly think having the hotel or lodge inform guests that a Bible is available if they want one is not promotion of religion while placing a Gideon Bible in a drawer is?

Why would they have to inform them? Simply have it available as a reading option. And put that as an amenity "books available to read". Is that really so hard? Or simply give it to the library or wherever any particular base may keep a book collection (most have one somewhere) and tell guests they can find a Bible there. But by having a single type of book available in every single room, that is promoting that book. No one would be arguing differently if this was something like Hard Choices by Hillary Clinton or Fed Up! by Rick Perry, having only one of those books in every single room in a Navy sponsored hotel. It wouldn't be allowed. Why? Because it would appear that the Navy was supporting only one of those particular political figures. It doesn't matter if someone else paid for those books, donated those books to the Navy Lodge.
 
just because you don't like the bible doesn't mean you get to deny other people from using it. the government didn't buy it. it was donated free of charge etc...
it does no harm to you as you don't believe in God and no one is forcing you to read it.

what is even more concerning is if you are not even allowed to stay there if you are not a military person then it has 0 effect on you.

No one is denying others access to the Bible. They are free to bring their own Bible with them, just as I bring many different books with me when I go on any vacation. They are even free to visit the base library or book area, where there are bound to be Bibles and other religious books available to them if they want them, presented in a manner that does not appear to endorse one religious over another. It has nothing to do with the cost.

And I believe in a higher power, just not one described by any religion I know of.

I am in the Navy reserves and allowed to stay there, so I'm actually one of those people on this board who it could possibly affect (if I really was offended by having a Bible in the room).
 
What if a group started donating Communist Manifesto's to the Navy. Would anyone object if they were placed in rooms?
 
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