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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So why can't they buy their own bibles?

    I'm sure they can. The Gideons, however, provide them free under various circumstances, and there's no real reason to bar them from doing so. It's not like anyone is forced to take one or read one.



    If there was such a thing as the Tom Clancy Society, dedicated to putting free Tom Clancy novels in military lodgings so they'd have something interesting to read, I doubt you'd have any major objections... or if it were philosophy texts, or adult education books, etc.


    Odd that only the Bible seems to stir such controversy.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I would support it 100%
    Why stop at the Koran and the Bible.. Hell.. place the Analects of Confucius, Ginza Rba, Holy Books of Thelema, Tipitaka, Dhammapada, Akilattirattu Ammanai, Arul Nool, Zend-Avesta, Hebrew Bible, Talmud, Gospel of Thomas, Guru Granth Sahib, Homeric Hymns, Theogony, Golden Verses of Pythagoras, Orphic Poems, Holy Piby, Kebra Negast, Royal Parchment Scroll of Black Supremacy, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, The Barton Cylinder.....

    I could go on and on......

    Then perhaps we can bankrupt our military by providing 2,000 holy books into every service members room..... Or... Just maybe, we can be sensible and let service men and women purchase and practice religion on their own.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm sure they can. The Gideons, however, provide them free under various circumstances, and there's no real reason to bar them from doing so. It's not like anyone is forced to take one or read one.



    If there was such a thing as the Tom Clancy Society, dedicated to putting free Tom Clancy novels in military lodgings so they'd have something interesting to read, I doubt you'd have any major objections... or if it were philosophy texts, or adult education books, etc.


    Odd that only the Bible seems to stir such controversy.
    Then it would be ok for the Navy to solicit that any organization can leave their material in the rooms? careful before you answer...


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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why did that become a thing, anyway? Why does every hotel in America have a bible in the drawer?
    To provide people with high quality paper to roll joints with when they run out of zig zags.

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I could go on and on......

    Then perhaps we can bankrupt our military by providing 2,000 holy books into every service members room..... Or... Just maybe, we can be sensible and let service men and women purchase and practice religion on their own.
    Or maybe, just maybe we can apply a very simple Supreme Court principal:

    If the practice with religous references is historical (usually before the 1950s), it is allowed to continue. So, "In god we trust" has remained on currency, "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, and Corpus Christi Naval Airstation is well... Corpus Christi Naval Air Station.

    My guess is that the practice of Gideons Bibles in Navy Lodges pre dates the 1950s.... . Ergo, it should stay.

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Or maybe, just maybe we can apply a very simple Supreme Court principal:

    If the practice with religous references is historical (usually before the 1950s), it is allowed to continue. So, "In god we trust" has remained on currency, "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, and Corpus Christi Naval Airstation is well... Corpus Christi Naval Air Station.

    My guess is that the practice of Gideons Bibles in Navy Lodges pre dates the 1950s.... . Ergo, it should stay.
    The painting of scantily clad women on the side of USAF bombers is also historical, but I don't see anyone seriously lobbying to bring that back..... We really need to stop giving religion a pass on things we don't give to other things. Its nonsensical...
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Then it would be ok for the Navy to solicit that any organization can leave their material in the rooms? careful before you answer...


    Not ISIS or NAMBLA, no.... but you can hardly compare the Gideon Bible and Tract Society to them.


    Dude it's a fricken Bible.... it isn't going to bite you.

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Or maybe, just maybe we can apply a very simple Supreme Court principal:

    If the practice with religous references is historical (usually before the 1950s), it is allowed to continue. So, "In god we trust" has remained on currency, "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, and Corpus Christi Naval Airstation is well... Corpus Christi Naval Air Station.

    My guess is that the practice of Gideons Bibles in Navy Lodges pre dates the 1950s.... . Ergo, it should stay.
    In any event... that ruling was on currency and on historical documents... not on religious text placed in the rooms of servicemen/women
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    In any event... that ruling was on currency and on historical documents... not on religious text placed in the rooms of servicemen/women
    You are missing the core concept: The practice of placing a religous based motto on currency was found to be historical and thus, permissible. Likewise, the practice of allowing Gideons to place bibles in Navy lodges is, in all probability historical (practice been in place since prior to the 1950s)

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm sure they can. The Gideons, however, provide them free under various circumstances, and there's no real reason to bar them from doing so. It's not like anyone is forced to take one or read one.



    If there was such a thing as the Tom Clancy Society, dedicated to putting free Tom Clancy novels in military lodgings so they'd have something interesting to read, I doubt you'd have any major objections... or if it were philosophy texts, or adult education books, etc.


    Odd that only the Bible seems to stir such controversy.
    Are you telling me you honestly believe putting Korans in military lodgings would not stir a controversy?
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