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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Now as to the thread in general, yes if the Giddeons are donating the bibles then I see no issue with them being placed in the lodge rooms. However, should other similar texts (Koran, Torah, etc) also be donated in a similar manner and are not placed within the rooms then we have an issue.
    Well, that does bring up a good point. The military couldn't say no to other religious books if they allow the bible. Then if they allows religious books do they also allow religious pictures to be in the room?
    The Gideons bible to me is so commonplace in hotel rooms that I never give it much thought. It is even mentioned in the Beatles song Rocky Raccoon. But I think you have to be careful when you open the door a little as there is always a tendency to push that door even wider and you may regret it. It is like a congress bill that may appear good but all these others things get snuck in with it.

    I think if a group donated condoms to each hotel room they would do more good , but that is just me.

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I have stayed at a Navy Lodge several times with my family and bibles were always in the rooms.
    So? It shouldn't matter if they are or are not there. As with any religion or really anything that you wish to read, you should bring your own. Just because people are used to something doesn't mean they have a right to it.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Maybe just set up a rack with religious material for all those wishing material other than Bibles.
    Though I can see the day when there is a religious "portfolio" as we see in motels for restaurants and such.

    Since I was fortunate enough to see my Dad get full Military rites, I suppose I'm not as objective .
    Why not a rack for all including Bibles?
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I was wondering why the Navy would have banned bibles.


    Turns out they didn't. "Ban" is not what happened here. The Navy merely stopped placing bibles in their lodgings.

    Why did that become a thing, anyway? Why does every hotel in America have a bible in the drawer?
    WHAT??? Dang, now I have to stop my happy dance.


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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But the government is not endorsing a particular religion. The government is not providing the Bibles. It is simply allowing the Gideons to do a kindness to those who use the Lodge rooms. Unless it would deny any others the ability to place their holy book in the rooms--and no other group has any inclination to do so--it is unreasonable to think the government is endorsing anything. The Bibles are not an establishment of religion, they pose no problem to natural security nor harm anybody, and to deny them a corner in a drawer, space needed by nobody, would be unnecessarily cruel and inhumane to people who draw on their faith to get them through whatever they have to face. And to deny them because somebody might be hateful enough or mean spirited enough to deny somebody that because they would erroneously say it established religion would just be plain dumb.
    It doesn't matter if the government is providing them or not, the government still appears to be endorsing that religion, whether intentionally or not. When it comes to the military especially, appearance does matter.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    WHAT??? Dang, now I have to stop my happy dance.
    If the Bible meant so much to travelers, why wouldn't they take it with them.


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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because the Giddeons donate those Bibles.
    Somebody needs to start a Gideon version of the FSM, they can put a cup of instant ramen in every hotel room and every Navy bed.

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    If the Bible meant so much to travelers, why wouldn't they take it with them.
    Um....they would and many still do. The Giddions will supply a few cases of these bibles and then if a guest takes the one from their room the hotel/motel replaces it when they do the room clean up. It is the hope of the Giddions that a guest will take their bible with them.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Um....they would and many still do. The Giddions will supply a few cases of these bibles and then if a guest takes the one from their room the hotel/motel replaces it when they do the room clean up. It is the hope of the Giddions that a guest will take their bible with them.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It doesn't matter if the government is providing them or not, the government still appears to be endorsing that religion, whether intentionally or not. When it comes to the military especially, appearance does matter.
    And the Supreme Court both acknowledges that point, and also permits the words "In God we trust" to be retained on currency and the words "under God" to retained in the Pledge of Allegiance (among other things).

    In short, the cut off date set by SCOTUS for when religous references are considered historical / cultural and can thus be retained is the 1950s (they have never set an exact date). My bet is that the Gideons have been placing those Bibles in Navy Lodges since before the 1950s.

    As such, the historical practice should be allowed to continue. Yes, some atheists are going to get very butt hurt about it (I think the Navy's service wide Bible yank was fueled by what- two complainers?), but those types probably cry every time they use currency (In God we trust) or fly into Sacramento California, or are stationed in Corpus Christi, Texas.

    At the end of the day though, too bad for the complainers. I dont know how else to say it- America still is majority Christian and some aspects of that are going to permeate in minor ways into the public sphere. That does not mean that the Navy needs to allow Christian or Muslim groups to construct chapels at Navy loges (not a historical practice).

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