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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    Personally hoping that the Saudis donate 300 million Korans to all the US hotels rooms currently receiving free donated bibles, and watch the FAUX News **** storm. It would be most amusing to watch the SCOTUS force any hotel chain with US rooms to accept all privately donated religious texts including scientology, jw'ism and mormonism. Every room would need an 8ft bookcase.

    I also wonder about all the people in this thread who have no problem with these books in the Navy Lodges and their feelings about privately donated 10 Commandments monuments on courthouse lawns. We already know what SCOTUS thinks of them.

    These bibles, or any other religious texts, are an equivalent to the monuments. It does not matter that they are donated.
    Why stop at bibles and Lodges? Why not hand out privately donated crucifixes in basic? You don't have to wear them! Even if 80% of your buddies in the outfit do chose to.

    from Gideons.ca

    The Gideons were donating to public schools but that was shot down by SCOTUS.

    This is proselytizing pure and simple. And the government is complicit by allowing them in every room of the Lodges. Maybe there should a 'reading room' where all religious texts and anti-religious texts are located, so interested parties could find what they need. We all know that will never fly because this is not about freedom of religion, it is about freedom to proselytize. Proselytize the religion of the majority.

    The very reason for the existence of the 1st is to prevent proselytizing to, or worse forcible conversion of, the minorities to the majority religion.
    There are plenty of brutal historical examples which lead to the creation of the 1st so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
    You are making up your own definition of the first amendment to the US constitution. I do pity you.

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

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    You have the same ignorance of the US constitution as demsocialist does.
    Your strange idea of Christian privilege does not stand any scrutiny.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    However I am entitled to patronize whichever hotel chain I please based on what I want.
    No one has said any different. In this case, you may not even be able to patronize this particular lodging option to begin with unless you have a military affiliation of some kind.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

    It is not the gubmints purview to establish what is or is not religious material.

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    The very reason for the existence of the 1st is to prevent proselytizing to, or worse forcible conversion of, the minorities to the majority religion.
    There are plenty of brutal historical examples which lead to the creation of the 1st so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
    First step a bible in a hotel room next step TEH CRUSAAAAADES!!!
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You're off the point here. It's been noted by both sides that the private hotels can accept or reject any religious material they want for their rooms. We're discussing specifically government run facilities, using the Navy Lodge as a primary example.



    Do you have a link to where a privately donated one was declared unconstitional? The only ones I was aware of were local city and county purchased ones, or ones ordered by the local level but then the seller never bother to charge them
    Van Orden v. Perry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In 1961, a privately donated monument was ruled unconstitutional.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    Personally hoping that the Saudis donate 300 million Korans to all the US hotels rooms currently receiving free donated bibles, and watch the FAUX News **** storm. It would be most amusing to watch the SCOTUS force any hotel chain with US rooms to accept all privately donated religious texts including scientology, jw'ism and mormonism. Every room would need an 8ft bookcase.

    I also wonder about all the people in this thread who have no problem with these books in the Navy Lodges and their feelings about privately donated 10 Commandments monuments on courthouse lawns. We already know what SCOTUS thinks of them.

    These bibles, or any other religious texts, are an equivalent to the monuments. It does not matter that they are donated.
    Why stop at bibles and Lodges? Why not hand out privately donated crucifixes in basic? You don't have to wear them! Even if 80% of your buddies in the outfit do chose to.

    from Gideons.ca

    The Gideons were donating to public schools but that was shot down by SCOTUS.

    This is proselytizing pure and simple. And the government is complicit by allowing them in every room of the Lodges. Maybe there should a 'reading room' where all religious texts and anti-religious texts are located, so interested parties could find what they need. We all know that will never fly because this is not about freedom of religion, it is about freedom to proselytize. Proselytize the religion of the majority.

    The very reason for the existence of the 1st is to prevent proselytizing to, or worse forcible conversion of, the minorities to the majority religion.
    There are plenty of brutal historical examples which lead to the creation of the 1st so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
    Actually the purpose of the 1st is in part to prevent laws from being made that favor one religion over another.


    Nowhere does it mention a restriction on proselytizing.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    Van Orden v. Perry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In 1961, a privately donated monument was ruled unconstitutional.
    Did you even read the article you linked?

    First error: The case was not brought nor decided in 1961. That was the year that the monument in question was erected.

    Error #2:
    The Supreme Court ruled on June 27, 2005, by a vote of 5 to 4, that the display was constitutional.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Why would a private charitable society dedicated to providing Bibles and tracts free to the public put Bibles in Navy lodgings?


    Why indeed.... quite the mystery isn't it?
    I dunno... church... state... something sounds familiar here.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    How about no bibles, no koran, no book of mormon, etc in anything that is taxpayer funded?

    It isn't hard to do.
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