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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The bible and other religious books have no more protection in this case than any other book. The bible is just as much an opinion piece as all those books mentioned. Plus, nothing can be said about those books mentioned that make them automatically more offensive than the bible depending on the person. In reality it is up to the navy if any books are allowed up until someone makes an issue of it, then it is up to the court.
    the bible is a religious book not an opinion so yes it is protected.

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No one said the clerks would have to inform each and every person that they were available. Just have them available and tell the guests certain book selections are available upon request.
    And if the Bible is the only book selection available upon request which would be the case in 99% of all cases? How utterly absurd when it gives the Gideons great pleasure to offer the Bibles free and it harms absolutely nobody to have them in the rooms and at least some people do benefit from or enjoy having them there? My goodness aren't there more serious issues in the world for folks to worry about? Why not live and let live and allow the simplest solution when it has absolutely no affect on you and no detrimental effect on anybody?
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    And if the Bible is the only book selection available upon request which would be the case in 99% of all cases? How utterly absurd when it gives the Gideons great pleasure to offer the Bibles free and it harms absolutely nobody to have them in the rooms and at least some people do benefit from or enjoy having them there? My goodness aren't there more serious issues in the world for folks to worry about? Why not live and let live and allow the simplest solution when it has absolutely no affect on you and no detrimental effect on anybody?
    Why do you think the bible would be the only thing available? Bases have libraries and book centers often and people leave books in hotel rooms all the time. They could even do a book exchange or donation. There's no reason to believe they would only have bibles. Otherwise they could simply give them to the library or book center on base and direct interested guests there.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    the bible is a religious book not an opinion so yes it is protected.
    Religious books are opinions as much as those other books are. And no they are not protected in any way in this particular issue. Why in the world would you think they were?
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Religious books are opinions as much as those other books are. And no they are not protected in any way in this particular issue. Why in the world would you think they were?
    He's resisting the loss of privilege for his chosen opinion.

    I hear at least one hotel chain has removed them from their rooms. Travelodge, I think.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why do you think the bible would be the only thing available? Bases have libraries and book centers often and people leave books in hotel rooms all the time. They could even do a book exchange or donation. There's no reason to believe they would only have bibles. Otherwise they could simply give them to the library or book center on base and direct interested guests there.
    Let's just say that some seem to have an irrational fear or prejudice against Bibles and would use that to justify denying generous people from giving gifts or denying people a small comfort or pleasure and let it go at that, okay?
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Indeed. Are Bibles normally in Navy quarters because the Navy buys them, or are they donated by a third party?
    My understanding is that they're not in navy quarters at all, but rather in hotel-like rooms for visitors, which are only used as quarters in a pinch.

    I would assume that the navy does not provide bibles to it's quarters, unless they provide books from other religions, which would be hard and expensive (also take up space).
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    There is nothing 'promotional' about a Gideon Bible in a Hotel room. It is a ministry the Gideons have been doing for more than a 100 years. And anybody who would be offended by seeing a Gideon Bible in their hotel room deserves to be offended. It would be much more promoting the Bibles or give that appearance if the desk clerk had to inform each guest that a Bible would be made available to him/her if asked for.
    I am an atheist, but Muslims could also be irked by finding an unwanted bible in their room.

    I am only saying, in a hotel room that I sleep in the bible goes out of that room. I do not want one in the drawer of my nightstand. It is where I want to put things that are important for me in my hotel room and I do not need or want a bible in there. That is all I am saying.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    again why are you so up in arms about something you don't believe in? is anyone forcing you to read it before you stay there?
    is that a requirement?

    so you have to pray before you can get the room?

    the answer to all of these is no.
    This isn't "up in arms" about something I don't believe in. I believe that the government should not appear to endorse a religion. Do I really care? No. But I can see where some people who might care are coming from so I believe the Navy is wrong here. There is nothing wrong or illegal about not having Bibles in the rooms of Navy Lodges, particularly if they explain the situation to the Gideons and offer to return their Bibles. Most likely the Gideons wouldn't have an issue with them simply being available upon request.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Let's just say that some seem to have an irrational fear or prejudice against Bibles and would use that to justify denying generous people from giving gifts or denying people a small comfort or pleasure and let it go at that, okay?
    It is not an "irrational fear". It is simply not wishing to have a particular religion pushed on them at a government facility, which a Navy Lodge technically is. Sure, it is only just in the drawer but that is still the appearance of supporting that religion over others because there is nothing to say differently and there is no secular reason to have those Bibles there.
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