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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No one is denying others access to the Bible. They are free to bring their own Bible with them, just as I bring many different books with me when I go on any vacation. They are even free to visit the base library or book area, where there are bound to be Bibles and other religious books available to them if they want them, presented in a manner that does not appear to endorse one religious over another. It has nothing to do with the cost.

    And I believe in a higher power, just not one described by any religion I know of.

    I am in the Navy reserves and allowed to stay there, so I'm actually one of those people on this board who it could possibly affect (if I really was offended by having a Bible in the room).
    how can you be offended by something you don't believe in? this is illogical.

    any other religion is free to to their documentation in they they choose not to do it. them choosing not to do it doesn't mean someone else is endorsing anything.
    you have to make a large logical leap to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    What if a group started donating Communist Manifesto's to the Navy. Would anyone object if they were placed in rooms?
    no one has so what difference does it make

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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    What if a group started donating Communist Manifesto's to the Navy. Would anyone object if they were placed in rooms?
    I think that is the potential problem. It isn't about the bible but you are opening the floodgate for every crackpot religion wanting their propaganda in the rooms.

    A better idea is for them to focus on just offering clean beds without bedbugs and a clean restroom. That is really all travelers want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I think that is the potential problem. It isn't about the bible but you are opening the floodgate for every crackpot religion wanting their propaganda in the rooms.

    A better idea is for them to focus on just offering clean beds without bedbugs and a clean restroom. That is really all travelers want.
    the communist manifesto is not a religion therefore the lodging could reject it with no problem or any other questionable propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    the communist manifesto is not a religion therefore the lodging could reject it with no problem or any other questionable propaganda.
    It doesn't take much to get something classified as a religion.

    True , there isn't any other group besides Gideons placing their materials in hotels at this present time but I think one has to think ahead.

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    i then have to ask how something in a drawer that you won't read actually hurts you? it doesn't.
    That is your opinion, I do not need nor want it in a room in which I am staying.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    how can you be offended by something you don't believe in? this is illogical.

    any other religion is free to to their documentation in they they choose not to do it. them choosing not to do it doesn't mean someone else is endorsing anything.
    you have to make a large logical leap to get there.
    I believe that Bibles exist. Are you of the failed notion that I believe Bibles are a figment of people's imagination? Personally, I'm not offended by having a Bible in the room, but I can see how others, especially those who have a different actual religion, can be offended because they may see it as providing religious texts for a religion but not for their particular religion, which is unfair, no matter who actually paid for those books. "God" or rather the "Christian God" is not the offensive thing here. The apparent endorsement of the Christian religious beliefs by the Navy Lodge, a government run entity, over any other religions is the offensive thing here.

    Just because someone doesn't have the resources to give out religious books to every single Navy Lodge doesn't mean that their concerns about presentation of another religion should be dismissed. That is ludicrous. As I said in a different post, if it were a political book, and only a specific political book giving only one single political viewpoint, put in every single room in the Navy Lodges, it would be seen as the Navy endorsing that particular view.

    What about this book? Would this be acceptable in every single room in a Navy Lodge?

    From Abortion to Reproductive Freedom: Transforming a Movement by Marlene Gerber Fried Or this one? Make Me Your Choice by Cheryl Chew

    How about one of these?

    Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America, by Jonathan Rauch or Marriage on Trial: The Case Against Same-Sex Marriage and Parenting by Glenn T. Stanton

    If it would be wrong to put any single one of these books into every single room in the Navy Lodge, then it should also be wrong to put any single religious book/text into every single room in the Navy Lodge because it is easily seen as an endorsement of that viewpoint or religion, even if that is not the intent.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    the communist manifesto is not a religion therefore the lodging could reject it with no problem or any other questionable propaganda.
    They can easily reject Bibles and other religious texts from other religions as well because there is no reason to even appear to be promoting any single viewpoint or religion, even in just appearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    It doesn't take much to get something classified as a religion.

    True , there isn't any other group besides Gideons placing their materials in hotels at this present time but I think one has to think ahead.
    actually it does. communism is a politcal view point it isn't a religion

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They can easily reject Bibles and other religious texts from other religions as well because there is no reason to even appear to be promoting any single viewpoint or religion, even in just appearance.
    again why are you so up in arms about something you don't believe in? is anyone forcing you to read it before you stay there?
    is that a requirement?

    so you have to pray before you can get the room?

    the answer to all of these is no.

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