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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If the room was inhabited by Islamists I would not have a problem with it my left wing friend.
    I would just as I would have a problem with the Navy placing Bibles in all the rooms. I don't want my tax payer dollars going for either scenario. But the Navy is NOT placing Bibles anywhere. They simply allowed the Gideons to donate Bibles to be placed in the Navy Lodge rooms and for the life of me I can't see how anybody would have a problem with that.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I would just as I would have a problem with the Navy placing Bibles in all the rooms. I don't want my tax payer dollars going for either scenario. But the Navy is NOT placing Bibles anywhere. They simply allowed the Gideons to donate Bibles to be placed in the Navy Lodge rooms and for the life of me I can't see how anybody would have a problem with that.
    So they are promoting that religion by placing them automatically in the rooms. Now if the person staying there would ask for one and they would provide him one free of charge that would solve the problem. If I would find a bible I did not ask for I would bring it to reception with the message that they could put it back after I had departed or that they provide one on a need to have/ask to have one only.

    But then I even throw away the local church booklet away as soon as it lands on my doorstep. I asked the person bringing it around to not deliver it to me because it traveled from the doormat automatically to the old paper carton (which gets collected every week). The same goes with any unwanted piece of paper that is delivered to me. If someone would be foolish enough to bring a bible house to house it too would be thrown out with the old paper, the same goes with a qu'aran, torah, watch tower, etc. etc. etc.

    People who come peddling their faith to the door get it closed quickly but friendly (don't swear at them, just say not interested) and swing the door shut.

    So make it easy, give out those bibles on a want to have basis.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    So they are promoting that religion by placing them automatically in the rooms. Now if the person staying there would ask for one and they would provide him one free of charge that would solve the problem. If I would find a bible I did not ask for I would bring it to reception with the message that they could put it back after I had departed or that they provide one on a need to have/ask to have one only.

    But then I even throw away the local church booklet away as soon as it lands on my doorstep. I asked the person bringing it around to not deliver it to me because it traveled from the doormat automatically to the old paper carton (which gets collected every week). The same goes with any unwanted piece of paper that is delivered to me. If someone would be foolish enough to bring a bible house to house it too would be thrown out with the old paper, the same goes with a qu'aran, torah, watch tower, etc. etc. etc.

    People who come peddling their faith to the door get it closed quickly but friendly (don't swear at them, just say not interested) and swing the door shut.

    So make it easy, give out those bibles on a want to have basis.
    Much easier to just place the donated Bibles in the rooms and forget them. But you think that would somehow promote religion more than would be giving the registering guests instructions of how to get use of a Bible if he/she wanted one? Think about that and see how utterly silly your argument is.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Much easier to just place the donated Bibles in the rooms and forget them. But you think that would somehow promote religion more than would be giving the registering guests instructions of how to get use of a Bible if he/she wanted one? Think about that and see how utterly silly your argument is.
    There is nothing silly about only giving a bible to people who specifically ask for one. That would be the easiest way to prevent people taking offense at promotional bibles in rooms.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Leave it to FOX News to take a story out of context, and tell a lie for political purposes. But that's FOX News, where you have to take their stories with a shaker of salt.

    The Navy never banned Bibles. They only stopped putting them in the quarters of Navy personnel. Personnel were still allowed to have Bibles. So all that's happened is that the Navy is putting Bibles in their quarters again.

    Sheesh!!
    Yeah, let's burn'em. Burn the Bibles, yeah. Bad Bible, bad! I doubt the Navy even pays for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You have no idea what her beliefs are. Additionally she's USN
    again how is a bible in a drawer that someone doesn't believe exist hurting them. the only way that something can hurt you or offend you is if it exists.
    they obviously don't believe the bibles should be in the room given their statement.

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    So they are promoting that religion by placing them automatically in the rooms. Now if the person staying there would ask for one and they would provide him one free of charge that would solve the problem. If I would find a bible I did not ask for I would bring it to reception with the message that they could put it back after I had departed or that they provide one on a need to have/ask to have one only.

    But then I even throw away the local church booklet away as soon as it lands on my doorstep. I asked the person bringing it around to not deliver it to me because it traveled from the doormat automatically to the old paper carton (which gets collected every week). The same goes with any unwanted piece of paper that is delivered to me. If someone would be foolish enough to bring a bible house to house it too would be thrown out with the old paper, the same goes with a qu'aran, torah, watch tower, etc. etc. etc.

    People who come peddling their faith to the door get it closed quickly but friendly (don't swear at them, just say not interested) and swing the door shut.

    So make it easy, give out those bibles on a want to have basis.
    i then have to ask how something in a drawer that you won't read actually hurts you? it doesn't.

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Okay. If I accept a Christmas or birthday present I provided it. It was my doing and not the person who bought, wrapped, and presented the gift. Gotcha. Geez, do you really believe that? Do you honestly think having the hotel or lodge inform guests that a Bible is available if they want one is not promotion of religion while placing a Gideon Bible in a drawer is?
    Why would they have to inform them? Simply have it available as a reading option. And put that as an amenity "books available to read". Is that really so hard? Or simply give it to the library or wherever any particular base may keep a book collection (most have one somewhere) and tell guests they can find a Bible there. But by having a single type of book available in every single room, that is promoting that book. No one would be arguing differently if this was something like Hard Choices by Hillary Clinton or Fed Up! by Rick Perry, having only one of those books in every single room in a Navy sponsored hotel. It wouldn't be allowed. Why? Because it would appear that the Navy was supporting only one of those particular political figures. It doesn't matter if someone else paid for those books, donated those books to the Navy Lodge.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    just because you don't like the bible doesn't mean you get to deny other people from using it. the government didn't buy it. it was donated free of charge etc...
    it does no harm to you as you don't believe in God and no one is forcing you to read it.

    what is even more concerning is if you are not even allowed to stay there if you are not a military person then it has 0 effect on you.
    No one is denying others access to the Bible. They are free to bring their own Bible with them, just as I bring many different books with me when I go on any vacation. They are even free to visit the base library or book area, where there are bound to be Bibles and other religious books available to them if they want them, presented in a manner that does not appear to endorse one religious over another. It has nothing to do with the cost.

    And I believe in a higher power, just not one described by any religion I know of.

    I am in the Navy reserves and allowed to stay there, so I'm actually one of those people on this board who it could possibly affect (if I really was offended by having a Bible in the room).
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    What if a group started donating Communist Manifesto's to the Navy. Would anyone object if they were placed in rooms?
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