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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    So show me another religion who wants to do that and was denied. Then we can have a reasoned discussion about it.
    The Royal Navy has accommodated a Satanist among its ranks. That is a side issue. The question is not refusal of an inappropriate act to some, it is permitting it to anyone. All or nothing. Offer access to all, or no-one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I would assume that if some organization of Muslims wanted to provide copies of the Koran for each room, it would be allowed....
    Yes. I would assume the same thing, but since no orthodox Muslim would want an infidel handling their holy book, that's not likely to happen. Most mosques don't even want a copy available in the local public library. But again, the fact that the Gideons are the ONLY religious organization doing this as a private ministry is not a disqualification for them being allowed to do it.

    The Bible itself is a historical document containing history, ancient law, poetry, wisdom sayings, allegory, metaphor, prophecy, symbolism, and bits and pieces of ancient explanations spanning thousands of years of JudeoChristian influence with some pagan references. By itself there is nothing about it that could be definitively seen as promotion of any particular religion or religious group, but it is the best selling book in the world and is evident on all the world's continents. And it is a source of comfort and assurance for billions. Again only the most religion-hating and mean spirited people could possibly have any objection to its presence in a hotel room.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The Royal Navy has accommodated a Satanist among its ranks. That is a side issue. The question is not refusal of an inappropriate act to some, it is permitting it to anyone. All or nothing. Offer access to all, or no-one.
    Again who have they denied access? So far as I know the Gideons are the only group with this ministry. If you know of another who has been refused access to place another holy book, speak up. Or the issue is moot.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I wonder how many different ways we can say that the Navy is not providing the Bibles in the room and is not favoring or promoting any religion by allowing the Gideons to do so before it will be understood?
    The Navy is providing them, even if they are not the ones paying for them. They are still in Navy rooms. And by having them in those rooms, that can be seen as promoting religion, specifically Christianity. There is no getting around that no matter how much you wish to deny it. Is it a big deal to me or most people? No. But I do recognize the legitimate issue here and it is more likely that if this were actually challenged, that the Bibles would most likely have to be removed from the rooms, possibly put in a general area with other religious documents/texts or available upon request, but likely not left in the rooms on purpose by Navy Lodge staff. The Gideons could not get in the rooms on their own.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Again who have they denied access? So far as I know the Gideons are the only group with this ministry. If you know of another who has been refused access to place another holy book, speak up. Or the issue is moot.
    We don't actually know now do we? How do we know others haven't requested something be put into the rooms in Navy Lodges and they were ignored?
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Again who have they denied access? So far as I know the Gideons are the only group with this ministry. If you know of another who has been refused access to place another holy book, speak up. Or the issue is moot.
    They don't have to deny access to others for it to be wrong. They have given access to one, to the detriment of others.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    No surprise at the misleading title of the piece. Starnes has made a career of lying and stirring up the delicate emotions of southern Christians .

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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The Navy is providing them, even if they are not the ones paying for them. They are still in Navy rooms. And by having them in those rooms, that can be seen as promoting religion, specifically Christianity. There is no getting around that no matter how much you wish to deny it. Is it a big deal to me or most people? No. But I do recognize the legitimate issue here and it is more likely that if this were actually challenged, that the Bibles would most likely have to be removed from the rooms, possibly put in a general area with other religious documents/texts or available upon request, but likely not left in the rooms on purpose by Navy Lodge staff. The Gideons could not get in the rooms on their own.
    Okay. If I accept a Christmas or birthday present I provided it. It was my doing and not the person who bought, wrapped, and presented the gift. Gotcha. Geez, do you really believe that? Do you honestly think having the hotel or lodge inform guests that a Bible is available if they want one is not promotion of religion while placing a Gideon Bible in a drawer is?
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We don't actually know now do we? How do we know others haven't requested something be put into the rooms in Navy Lodges and they were ignored?
    Well since it seems so important to some of you, why don't you research that and get back to us.
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    Re: Navy reverses Bible ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    They don't have to deny access to others for it to be wrong. They have given access to one, to the detriment of others.
    Okay what is the detriment? Please spell out how what the Gideons are allowed to do is harming anybody when anybody else who chose to do so could do the same thing?
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