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Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

tres borrachos said:
Eric Garner was in July. It was a chokehold. Still being investigated. The action against Crawford I understand was found to be just. I don't know about Ford but if tackled a PO, what should have happened?

So how do these back up your claim?
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Ahh...ok...your right, black people are treated the same as white people by police. I'm not going to argue with someone being willfully ignorant.
 
iliveonramen said:
Because you pulled it outta your ass? If a black guy is shot by a cop...or by anybody he's a thug in your book.
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I thought he was a thug after seeing his accomplice in the robbery give his version of events.

Dreads and Tat's up to the neck dont typically inspire confidence.
 
iliveonramen said:
Ahh...ok...your right, black people are treated the same as white people by police. I'm not going to argue with someone being willfully ignorant.
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Please do not call me names. I have shown you courtesy.

Please provide evidence that cops are commonly shooting unarmed blacks for no reason.
 
clownboy said:
But he was such an angel, there's even pictures to show how delightful he was and all the neighbors said he was quiet and likable. Not to mention I got such grief from the cheap seats when I suggested he may in fact be a thug.
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You have to remember that in those 'cheap seats' are people who don't like law and order [when it doesn't suit them], don't like authority, don't like morality and down right hate guns.
 
tres borrachos said:
Please do not call me names. I have shown you courtesy.

Please provide evidence that cops are commonly shooting unarmed blacks for no reason.
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There is no database that counts unarmed black men shot. The Federal Database shows use of force during arrest...period.

You have stated that there's no difference in treatment between black and whites by police forces in other threads.
If that's your view there's really nothing to discuss. That's something that is pretty common knowledge.

Also...I didn't call you a name...I said you were being willfully ignorant in this situation.
 
WCH said:
You have to remember that in those 'cheap seats' are people who don't like law and order [when it doesn't suit them], don't like authority, don't like morality and down right hate guns.
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hey...weren't you part of the Cliven Bundy fan club? Pot...meet kettle.
 
danarhea said:
There is a video of a black guy assaulting the store clerk. Yea, I know, I know, they all look alike. Right?
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!. the perp was wearing flipflops

2. the perp was wearing a Cardinals hat,

The perp was smoking Swisher Sweets he was filmed stealing and then hitting the clerk.
 
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iliveonramen said:
There is no database that counts unarmed black men shot. The Federal Database shows use of force during arrest...period.

You have stated that there's no difference in treatment between black and whites by police forces in other threads.
If that's your view there's really nothing to discuss. That's something that is pretty common knowledge.

Also...I didn't call you a name...I said you were being willfully ignorant in this situation.
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Telling me I'm being ignorant is in fact calling me ignorant.

I never said there was no treatment difference between blacks and white by cops. I referred to MY town only, said exactly that, and specifically related it to drunk driving, which we were discussing and which is not the same as shooting unarmed black men.

You said it was a common occurrence for cops to shoot unarmed black men, but now you're saying there is no database to prove that.

So in other words, you can't back up your statement.
 
WCH said:
Cause these cases are so much alike. :roll:
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Well, if there is truth to the OP, then the cases would have some similarity. The anti-Bundy crowd decided he was a POS because he was "stealing". I'm sure they will say the same thing about Michael Brown if this OP turns out to be true.
 
iliveonramen said:
Actions? There were two different versions of actions.
Pictures? What pictures?
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No, even by the testimony in the press before camera of his accomplice he fought with the police who tried to detain him. I believe they did bump the door closed on the officer. The pictures I posted in another thread, one of him throwing gang sign.
 
tres borrachos said:
Well, if there is truth to the OP, then the cases would have some similarity. The anti-Bundy crowd decided he was a POS because he was "stealing". I'm sure they will say the same thing about Michael Brown if this OP turns out to be true.
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True...
 
tres borrachos said:
Telling me I'm being ignorant is in fact calling me ignorant.
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No...being willfully ignorant just means you are ignoring patterns or input that contradicts with your inner model of reality. Everybody does it on occasion, it's not calling you anything. I'm willfully ignorant when it comes to the Miami Dolphins and the fact they are going to suck every year.

I never said there was no treatment difference between blacks and white by cops. I referred to MY town only, said exactly that, and specifically related it to drunk driving, which we were discussing and which is not the same as shooting unarmed black men.
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Ok...so we agree on that

You said it was a common occurrence for cops to shoot unarmed black men, but now you're saying there is no database to prove that
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Common as in happens much more often than it should. It should happen 0 times. Would you say that SWOT teams being used for issuing of Warrants and breaking into the wrong house result in unneeded death is too common? I can name you like three instances of that happening in the past year. I think it's way too common...it should pretty much never happen.

What number do you think is acceptable in unarmed black men shootings?


So in other words, you can't back up your statement
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I can be it will never be sufficient for you to call it common. I'm not going to go through news stories for the past 6 months so that you can go through and find excuses for why the shooting should occur (as if that should ever happen unless someone's life is in danger) or state that's not enough for it to constitute a "common" occurrence.
 
j-mac said:
Does this change how those defending Brown's friends versions perceive the lead up to the altercation between Brown and the police?
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Nope. Being a suspect doesn't mean you may be arbitrarily executed by the police.
 
Ikari said:
Nope. Being a suspect doesn't mean you may be arbitrarily executed by the police.
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Who was arbitrarily executed ?
 
ocean515 said:
Certainly increases the odds though.
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Well the police do shoot a lot of people, any interaction with them increases your odds of being shot.
 
WCH said:
Cause these cases are so much alike. :roll:
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If Michael Brown pointed a gun at the officer would the officer of had cause to shoot Michael Brown?

People at the Bundy Ranch trained guns on Federal Officers.

We're talking about the escalation of force here...when is it warranted and when is it not.

Michael Brown (according to reports) was told to comply and refused

Bundy was told to comply and refused.
 
Fenton said:
Who was arbitrarily executed ?
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That's the entire contention of this situation. Don't play dumb, it makes you look bad and serves no purpose.
 
Ikari said:
That's the entire contention of this situation. Don't play dumb, it makes you look bad and serves no purpose.
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Lol...

Thats funny coming from a guy who pretends to know exactly what happened inside the Police car.
 
iliveonramen said:
No...being willfully ignorant just means you are ignoring patterns or input that contradicts with your inner model of reality. Everybody does it on occasion, it's not calling you anything. I'm willfully ignorant when it comes to the Miami Dolphins and the fact they are going to suck every year.


Ok...so we agree on that


Common as in happens much more often than it should. It should happen 0 times. Would you say that SWOT teams being used for issuing of Warrants and breaking into the wrong house result in unneeded death is too common? I can name you like three instances of that happening in the past year. I think it's way too common...it should pretty much never happen.

What number do you think is acceptable in unarmed black men shootings?



I can be it will never be sufficient for you to call it common. I'm not going to go through news stories for the past 6 months so that you can go through and find excuses for why the shooting should occur (as if that should ever happen unless someone's life is in danger) or state that's not enough for it to constitute a "common" occurrence.
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I don't think anyone of any color getting shot by a cop for no reason is acceptable.

You have shown no evidence that this is a "common occurrence".
 
iliveonramen said:
If Michael Brown pointed a gun at the officer would the officer of had cause to shoot Michael Brown?

People at the Bundy Ranch trained guns on Federal Officers.

We're talking about the escalation of force here...when is it warranted and when is it not.

Michael Brown (according to reports) was told to comply and refused

Bundy was told to comply and refused.
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We don't know enough about what led up to the shooting of Brown.

Did he and or his accomplice fight with the cop? Did the officer receive the bulletin that described Brown before he saw them?

But as far as I know, the perps had no guns.
 
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