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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I agree with the statement, but not that it applies to this this event. There was nothing arbitrary here.
    IF events unfolded as the witnesses say, then the cops did indeed arbitrarily shoot him.
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Absolutely false. There are quite a lot of people who interact with the police regularly and have never been shot, nor are they likely to be, at least by the police. Myself included.
    Indeed, yet my probability of being shot increases when I interact with the police.
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    If Michael Brown pointed a gun at the officer would the officer of had cause to shoot Michael Brown?

    People at the Bundy Ranch trained guns on Federal Officers.

    We're talking about the escalation of force here...when is it warranted and when is it not.

    Michael Brown (according to reports) was told to comply and refused

    Bundy was told to comply and refused.
    The difference in this context is that Brown fought with the officer, according to his accomplice and the police.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Yikes.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    IF events unfolded as the witnesses say, then the cops did indeed arbitrarily shoot him.
    No, not even IF, and that's a big IF, the witnesses, one of which include his accomplice in the robbery, are correct in their statements. Not arbitrary at all. The officer was trying to detain a robbery suspect.

    We still do not know if the shots fired after Brown had supposedly surrendered were justified. If they weren't, still wouldn't have been arbitrary.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    As I showed Tres...three in August. As for quantifiable data? Apparently it's difficult to track since federal databases track police use of force and local police data is fragmented.
    Ok, then without trying to be snarky ramen, Your comment about it being "common" is subjective.
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Even if one is not.
    True. If a person had no contact with the police, the odds of being shot by one would decrease dramatically.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Indeed, yet my probability of being shot increases when I interact with the police.
    No, that probability increasing or decreasing depends solely upon YOUR behavior when you're interacting with police. For most folks your statement isn't true.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That story does not pass the smell test. If he were truly a robbery suspect, then why didn't the officer detain him the first time he stopped him, instead of telling him to get out of the middle of the road? If Brown had actually committed a robbery, then why did he talk to the officer the first time he was stopped, telling the officer that he was only a minute away from his destination, instead of running? Add to that the fact that the kid had never been in trouble with the police, has a clean record, has been described by everybody as shy and soft spoken, and was about to be a college student, then this smacks of a police department cover up. Something smells in Ferguson, Missouri, and it ain't the toilets.

    That was information known from the get as already shown.
    All you are doing for the most part, is using the accomplice's story to try and refute it. That is illogical.
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, not even IF, and that's a big IF, the witnesses, one of which include his accomplice in the robbery, are correct in their statements. Not arbitrary at all. The officer was trying to detain a robbery suspect.

    We still do not know if the shots fired after Brown had supposedly surrendered were justified. If they weren't, still wouldn't have been arbitrary.
    The police cannot be allowed to shoot anyone they desire under the guise of attempted detainment. If they just get to shoot whomever they want and claim whatever they want, then that is arbitrary execution. No fact, no proof, no warrant, just blam blam
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