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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

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    Until now, I've stayed clear of this thread topic waiting instead for more details/evidence to come out. I think folks need to take a step back on both sides.

    Those who are saying wait until the details come out are correct. We really don't know why the Ferguson police stopped Michael Brown and his friend/associate. However, danarhea makes some good points. For example, people have jumped on this "Michael Brown robbed a store before being shot" storyline but there's no proof of that as this video would indicate. Ferguson police didn't even know about the store incident before they approached him. So, why stop the guy?

    If you watch the alleged robbery video, it doesn't appear that Michael Brown had a weapon. To me it looks his hands were filled with merchandise he intended to buy. The footage shows him (or a man who looks like him) approach the counter and it appears he laid his stuff down. The next cut shows the altercation between Brown and the store clerk, but again you don't see a weapon. All you see is Brown grab the man by his shirt collar, still with merchandise in hand, as attempts to leaves the store. And then he stalks out. That's it. (Sidenote: Furthermore, it doesn't look like cigars he's carrying. It looks more like he has fists full of snack cakes or Slim Jims - too bulking and too long to be cigars. But if such were found on him, at this point I'd be hard pressed to support the claim that he stole them. After all, empty Cigarillos shells are often used to smoke marijuana. He may have already had those beforehand.

    Now, is it possible that the police were made aware of a robbery after they'd already stopped Michael Brown and his friend and one of them panicked? OR that Michael and his friend both refused to go quietly because they believed they were right to walk the streets without harming anyone? Is it possible the cops acted wrong or had the wrong men? Again, from the video it doesn't appear that Michael had cigars in his hands and you don't see a weapon. Of course, the news report never says "armed robbery". Think about that for a moment...

    You see, folks who are laying blame on those who they claim are "jumping to conclusions" about the police shooting a robbery suspect who many say was a good kid are also being quick to judge the kid as a criminal similar to how Treyvon Martin was portrayed when word go out about his troubles in school. Is it possible that Michael Brown was, in fact, a good kid who believed he was being cheated at checkout and pushed the store clerk simply because he was frustrated? We don't see whether money was placed on the counter any more than we see Michael draw a weapon. So, we really don't know if the kid entered the store with criminal intent. But, I would agree on principle that if you walk out of a store without paying for merchandise it is theft. But robbery in this case? Looks like a stretch to me.

    Nonetheless, Michael Brown was obviously a big 18 yr old Black male when compared with the store clerk. Is it possible that the Ferguson police officer jumped the gun here? Again, could he have received word of a recent robbery, believed that Michael Brown and his friend fit the description given, panicked when they heard the word "robbery suspects" (assuming that's how they were described) and then upon seeing how big this kid was acted hastily?

    Regardless of what one believes happened here, one thing is clear: You DON'T shoot an unarmed man with his hands up.

    I'm still listening attentively to the news reports and such, but I'd have to agree with danarhea here. Something just isn't right about this.
    Your understanding of what is already known is severely flawed.
    He stole the cigars.
    He had the damn cigars in his hands when the Officer confronted him.
    And Brown was seen all up on the Officer's car, and then later seen approaching the Officer.


    And most telling, is that Brown handed his cohort a box of the cigars and that cohort put them back on the counter saying that he "didn't steal".
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Until now, I've stayed clear of this thread topic waiting instead for more details/evidence to come out. I think folks need to take a step back on both sides.

    Those who are saying wait until the details come out are correct. We really don't know why the Ferguson police stopped Michael Brown and his friend/associate. However, danarhea makes some good points. For example, people have jumped on this "Michael Brown robbed a store before being shot" storyline but there's no proof of that as this video would indicate. Ferguson police didn't even know about the store incident before they approached him. So, why stop the guy?

    If you watch the alleged robbery video, it doesn't appear that Michael Brown had a weapon. To me it looks his hands were filled with merchandise he intended to buy. The footage shows him (or a man who looks like him) approach the counter and it appears he laid his stuff down. The next cut shows the altercation between Brown and the store clerk, but again you don't see a weapon. All you see is Brown grab the man by his shirt collar, still with merchandise in hand, as attempts to leaves the store. And then he stalks out. That's it. (Sidenote: Furthermore, it doesn't look like cigars he's carrying. It looks more like he has fists full of snack cakes or Slim Jims - too bulking and too long to be cigars. But if such were found on him, at this point I'd be hard pressed to support the claim that he stole them. After all, empty Cigarillos shells are often used to smoke marijuana. He may have already had those beforehand.

    Now, is it possible that the police were made aware of a robbery after they'd already stopped Michael Brown and his friend and one of them panicked? OR that Michael and his friend both refused to go quietly because they believed they were right to walk the streets without harming anyone? Is it possible the cops acted wrong or had the wrong men? Again, from the video it doesn't appear that Michael had cigars in his hands and you don't see a weapon. Of course, the news report never says "armed robbery". Think about that for a moment...

    You see, folks who are laying blame on those who they claim are "jumping to conclusions" about the police shooting a robbery suspect who many say was a good kid are also being quick to judge the kid as a criminal similar to how Treyvon Martin was portrayed when word go out about his troubles in school. Is it possible that Michael Brown was, in fact, a good kid who believed he was being cheated at checkout and pushed the store clerk simply because he was frustrated? We don't see whether money was placed on the counter any more than we see Michael draw a weapon. So, we really don't know if the kid entered the store with criminal intent. But, I would agree on principle that if you walk out of a store without paying for merchandise it is theft. But robbery in this case? Looks like a stretch to me.

    Nonetheless, Michael Brown was obviously a big 18 yr old Black male when compared with the store clerk. Is it possible that the Ferguson police officer jumped the gun here? Again, could he have received word of a recent robbery, believed that Michael Brown and his friend fit the description given, panicked when they heard the word "robbery suspects" (assuming that's how they were described) and then upon seeing how big this kid was acted hastily?

    Regardless of what one believes happened here, one thing is clear: You DON'T shoot an unarmed man with his hands up.

    I'm still listening attentively to the news reports and such, but I'd have to agree with danarhea here. Something just isn't right about this.
    Dorian Johnson admitted that he and Brown participated in a robbery, prior to the shooting.
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    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    I have been hard at work this week but have been following this on the news both British and American. What has stuck out for me was how quickly the media rallied behind the victim and started a witch hunt against the Officer behind the shooting and the police force as a whole. Before any evidence has been released they painted Brown as a law abiding citizen with University in his immediate future, just a young kid full of dreams and no threat to anyone. The media demanded information and when some was released they cried foul. Apparently the fact that Brown had committed robbery and assaulted someone wasn't the information they required in fact it was deemed as unimportant but yet the name of the officer however was at the upmost importance. No ballistic reports, no dispatch reports, no police testimonies and no autopsy instead they wanted a name.....The media fuelled this and the media continue to feed it. Disgraceful
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I have been hard at work this week but have been following this on the news both British and American. What has stuck out for me was how quickly the media rallied behind the victim and started a witch hunt against the Officer behind the shooting and the police force as a whole. Before any evidence has been released they painted Brown as a law abiding citizen with University in his immediate future, just a young kid full of dreams and no threat to anyone. The media demanded information and when some was released they cried foul. Apparently the fact that Brown had committed robbery and assaulted someone wasn't the information they required in fact it was deemed as unimportant but yet the name of the officer however was at the upmost importance. No ballistic reports, no dispatch reports, no police testimonies and no autopsy instead they wanted a name.....The media fuelled this and the media continue to feed it. Disgraceful
    Well, the United States in in the process of changing from a Constitutional Republic to a Leninist Dictatorship. These things are bound to happen during the transition. It will probably be a few years and there will be a little more bloodshed but eventually the bourgeoisie will be eradicated and everyone will live in blissful harmony.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Well, the United States in in the process of changing from a Constitutional Republic to a Leninist Dictatorship. These things are bound to happen during the transition. It will probably be a few years and there will be a little more bloodshed but eventually the bourgeoisie will be eradicated and everyone will live in blissful harmony.
    I was in London during our riots a few years ago which started over something very similar. What was surprising to me was how quickly the masses took advantage of it and started rioting and looting. That was eventually end with an increased police presence and mass arrests.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I was in London during our riots a few years ago which started over something very similar. What was surprising to me was how quickly the masses took advantage of it and started rioting and looting. That was eventually end with an increased police presence and mass arrests.
    They're not stopping the rioting in Ferguson.
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

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    They're not stopping the rioting in Ferguson.
    They could though very easily. Couple of water cannons and some riot shields always do the trick, none of this military hardware nonsense.
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I was in London during our riots a few years ago which started over something very similar. What was surprising to me was how quickly the masses took advantage of it and started rioting and looting. That was eventually end with an increased police presence and mass arrests.
    It's unlikely that we'll see that here. There will be riots but as long as the rioters are from racially or economically repressed classes the response of the authorities will be muted. Those authorities will need to be used to restrain those who object to the uprisings. In particular, property owners and Capitalists will need to be contained because they will inevitably seek to retain their stranglehold on the proletariat.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

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    It's unlikely that we'll see that here. There will be riots but as long as the rioters are from racially or economically repressed classes the response of the authorities will be muted. Those authorities will need to be used to restrain those who object to the uprisings. In particular, property owners and Capitalists will need to be contained because they will inevitably seek to retain their stranglehold on the proletariat.

    Why is that? Has middle America lost it's balls?
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

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    Why is that? Has middle America lost it's balls?
    No. Their balls are intact. It's their representatives who have abandoned them.
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