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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Nope, doesn't make sense. Aiding/abetting robbery is also a crime. Try again.
    No, I think when reality needs to be defended, it's probably a fools errand to keep trying.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post


    Or, the video proved Dorian didn't carry out the violent strong-arm robbery Brown did, and under the circumstances it didn't make sense to pursue the case.
    I don't think that's the case. You see, although Dorian Johnson's attorney confirmed it was Michael Brown in the video, he:

    [The lawyer] would not tell Lemon whether Dorian Johnson was able to make a deal with the FBI for immunity for telling them what happened, and possibly pinning the “robbery” on Michael Brown.
    Attorney Confirms That Is His Client and Michael Brown in Surveillance Video | Mediaite

    So, was Michael Brown a thief, a thug, a low-life punk kid or is he being blamed for a crime he didn't commit? Stay tuned.
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I don't think that's the case. You see, although Dorian Johnson's attorney confirmed it was Michael Brown in the video, he:



    Attorney Confirms That Is His Client and Michael Brown in Surveillance Video | Mediaite

    So, was Michael Brown a thief, a thug, a low-life punk kid or is he being blamed for a crime he didn't commit? Stay tuned.
    You know, you got a point. Brown may have just been trying to straighten the shopkeepers collar and forgot to pay for the cigars when the shopkeeper reigned praise on him for his thoughtful gesture.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Odd to say the least that you can't tell that it's two different people in still images, but a blurry video... no problem!
    Even I could tell it was that big prick in the store. And he's laying dead in the street photo with the SAME clothes on.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You know, you got a point. Brown may have just been trying to straighten the shopkeepers collar and forgot to pay for the cigars when the shopkeeper reigned praise on him for his thoughtful gesture.
    You speak as if I'm defending the kid. I'm not. I'm just saying there's a lot going on with this situation that we don't know about. I've merely stated some things that are obvious:

    - The store video doesn't show Michael Brown present a weapon of any sort, but it clearly shows him grabbing the store clerk by his collar and then leaving the store with merchandise in hand.

    - We see Michael Brown at the counter with said merchandise, but we don't see if he actually paid for said merchandise. The assumption then, rightfully so, is he walked out of the without paying for the merchandise after assaulting the store clerk = theft (or robbery).

    - The police who stopped Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson didn't know they'd allegedly robbed a convenient store before stopping them. So, the question that really should be asked at this point is what was the probably cause for stopping them? Jaywalking? We'll get to that in a second...

    - We don't know why these two young adult males got into an altercation with the police any more than we know why they were stopped other than the fact that they were walking down the street presumably blocking traffic. But if that were the case, why didn't the police simply flash their police lights, get on their PA system and tell them to clear they way? Makes perfect sense to me.

    - We don't know why the police fought with Dorian Johnson or how/why shots were fired inside the police car.

    I could presume that Michael Brown began to run because of the incident at the store, but it's also very possible he ran because he heard gun shots coming from the direction of the police car where his friend and the police where wrestling about with each other.

    In the end, Michael Brown did halt w/his hands up and was shot. The question people rightfully are asking is "Why?".
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I just gave you examples. Less babies, innocent people, and by-standards don't count as "innocent" in your book.

    My statement was that being around cops increases your probability of being shot, and that's not 100% determined by one's own behavior. You disagreed to that. That was the statement, and I have demonstrated for my hypothesis.

    Try again.
    I understand. Critical thinking is my specialty.

    Put another way, it is 100% accurate to say, "The statistics of suffering a gunshot wound are directly proportional to the exposure to guns." Since the police, among others, are armed with guns, being in that environment increases the risk of being shot. Plain and simple.

    If an individual could isolate themselves to an environment totally devoid of guns, (like in a bulletproof bubble,) the odds of them being shot drop close to zero. If an individual prefers to be in the environment where guns are commonplace, be it thuggery, sport, counter sales, military or dealing with armed law enforcement, etc., your chances of being shot increase exponentially.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Smearing?
    I have done no smearing, so stop with the lying. Stating the known facts is not smearing.
    Your displayed bias in saying so, just means your bias is irrational.
    If anybody smeared anyone, Brown smeared himself with his actions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, let's: The police said he was a suspect in a robbery that an officer had not stopped them for. You do know what suspect means? Yes?
    ...
    You do know what alleged means, yes?

    In this case, "suspect" and "alleged" means the person who did it (as the video shows, as the family admitted it to being him, and the cohort confirmed), as they will not be charging him because he is deceased.
    All it is is word play on your part, and accuracy on the report part because the individual has not been convicted of a crime.
    So stop with your silly game. It has been confirmed it was him.

    Anthony Gray, a local attorney for the family, said no one ever said Brown "was a perfect kid." He warned protesters that, in viewing the video,"You may see images or depictions that don't paint him in the most complimentary light."
    The Rev. Jesse Jackson shows up at protest site as Brown family calls for calm : News


    Like you didn't know that the cohorts attorney confirmed it either.

    In an interview with msnbc shortly after the report was released, Johnson’s lawyer confirmed that Brown had taken cigars from the store.

    Police: Michael Brown stopped because he blocked traffic | MSNBC

    Or if you prefer a different source.

    Attorney: Dorian Johnson confirms he was with Brown at store robbery
    Attorney: Dorian Johnson confirms he was with Brown at store robbery

    If you do not understand these to be confirmations, you are fooling yourself as well as smearing your own intelligence.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And the video and images show it is him wearing the same damn thing, accompanied by the same witness who gave a contrived account.
    Really? Hm:
    Yes. Are you blind? Besides already being confirmed it was him - Same everything.

    All of the following so-called witnesses?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Officer who shot Michael Brown didn't know he was a robbery suspect - LA Times

    As for the witness:

    Ferguson residents on CNN: That’s not Michael Brown in the surveillance video « Hot Air

    We must be looking at different witnesses. Even the people who saw it say it's not the same people.
    Nonsense. Total nonsense.
    Local residents confused or deliberately lying, as it has already been confirmed.
    Their accounts change nothing to that confirmation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't cast doubt on it. I dismiss its relevance... which is exactly what the Fergusson Police Dept is doing. Actually, here is what the people who released the video had to say on the matter:
    No, that isn't what the Police have done, and what you are doing is ignoring reality. That is all.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Michael Brown shooting: Officer stopped teen for blocking street, 'that was it' - World - CBC News

    "[The robbery] had nothing to do with the stop," Ferguson, Mo., police Chief Thomas Jackson told reporters.
    So... any more smearing you'd like to do today? Or what are we discussing here? How he deserved to be shot for being a nameless suspect in a robbery that the police officer had no clue about? Or are we discussing the fact that the police who supposedly have both Brown and Johnson in the video in the video won't consider Johnson an accomplice? Or are discussing the fact that the police themselves say the shooting has nothing to do with the stop or the shooting? Keep smearing Excon.
    Wow. Look at you ignoring reality and what is already known.

    Do you, or do you not understand that what is being spoken about is the initial encounter where the Officer told them to get off the street? That is what had nothing to do with the robbery? Do you not understand that?

    Do you also not understand that after disengagement from telling them to get out of the street, the Officer returned to reengage because they appeared to be the suspects, with Brown carrying the cigars.
    What about these simple things do you not understand?
    Huh? Really?



    Wow!
    Really. Wow!

    You blew a lot of hot air to say absolutely nothing of relevance.
    And you have clearly shown you do not know the evidence.
    Your comments fly in the face of what is already known.


    So again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Hmmm? Let's see.
    The police say it is the same person and even revealed that the Officer saw that same person with the box of stolen cigars.
    The family's lawyer says it is him in the video.
    And the video and images show it is him wearing the same damn thing, accompanied by the same witness who gave a contrived account.

    And yet here you are after the fact of the above trying to cast doubt?
    Odd to say the least is right, except that it applies to your position.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    This is what gets me about these bleeding hearts... They act as if this POlice officer went out of his way to shoot some black kid that day? Like he was planning on it, that nothing would stop him from getting him some bad arse looking black kid. They convince themselves that this could be the only thing that happened, and that the story of the blacks at the scene would be wholesome testimonies to the integrity of the loving son that got shot down in the street. It boggles my mind how incredibly gullible people are. It's like they've never been to the hood or seen ghetto culture up close, and to think that wearing your pants down to your knees, dreads and Tat's up the neck, and unable to form a coherent sentence in English would remind us all that it's really nothing to be concerned or evaluated, no, we only need to condemn the cop that undergoes periodic psychological testing, intense training, and situational awareness because he's the evil PIGS..

    Jesus Christ almighty.. Granted, no rush to condemn the kid, but hell, utilizing a modicum of common sense one cannot possibly rush to condemn the cop either, if anything, this would be the last person to blame.


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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You speak as if I'm defending the kid. I'm not. I'm just saying there's a lot going on with this situation that we don't know about. I've merely stated some things that are obvious:

    - The store video doesn't show Michael Brown present a weapon of any sort, but it clearly shows him grabbing the store clerk by his collar and then leaving the store with merchandise in hand.

    - We see Michael Brown at the counter with said merchandise, but we don't see if he actually paid for said merchandise. The assumption then, rightfully so, is he walked out of the without paying for the merchandise after assaulting the store clerk = theft (or robbery).

    - The police who stopped Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson didn't know they'd allegedly robbed a convenient store before stopping them. So, the question that really should be asked at this point is what was the probably cause for stopping them? Jaywalking? We'll get to that in a second...

    - We don't know why these two young adult males got into an altercation with the police any more than we know why they were stopped other than the fact that they were walking down the street presumably blocking traffic. But if that were the case, why didn't the police simply flash their police lights, get on their PA system and tell them to clear they way? Makes perfect sense to me.

    - We don't know why the police fought with Dorian Johnson or how/why shots were fired inside the police car.

    I could presume that Michael Brown began to run because of the incident at the store, but it's also very possible he ran because he heard gun shots coming from the direction of the police car where his friend and the police where wrestling about with each other.

    In the end, Michael Brown did halt w/his hands up and was shot. The question people rightfully are asking is "Why?".

    Under your laundry list of maybe's and could haves, it's remarkable you seem to know for a fact that he raised his hands up. Why don't we just stick with, "let's see what the investigation concludes with."

    Oh, that's right, the kid was a gentle giant and if the investigation doesn't prove the cop was guilty, relight the torches.

    Absurd.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If you watch the alleged robbery video, it doesn't appear that Michael Brown had a weapon. To me it looks his hands were filled with merchandise he intended to buy.
    Oh yes, just a misunderstood customer....Good grief....
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