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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

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    How do you know they did?

    If your going to make claims like this, you should at least back it up with some evidence.
    Um, logic 101: the burden of proof rests on those making an accusation.

    Or else, how do we know it wasn't you?

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    His attorney is a week-kneed kook.

    One easy giveaway that is that Dorian Johnson wasn't charged w/anything by the police. Normally, anyone who robs a store w/video to prove it is arrested and convicted after the store owners' press charges but the cops are letting him walk free.

    Most likely, it's because the cops coerced him into saying that he robbed the store or else they would charge him w/something else (i. e. some minor drug possession charge of which he was actually guilty) and jail him for that, and his week-kneed attorney agreed to the deal.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Anyone mention yet that last night the liquor store Mike Brown had allegedly robed was looted. Why? The owner was robbed by Brown so now he deserves to have his business destroyed? Something wrong with people.
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Um, logic 101: the burden of proof rests on those making an accusation.

    Or else, how do we know it wasn't you?

    yes the burden is on you. Your the one who made the statement that LE may have faked the vid.

    The reverse burden of proof ploy by you is noted.

    It is also noted you provided no backup information to support the claim.

    So using your what if.

    - Didn't The other teenager with Brown admit to the robbery?
    - Didn't the lawyers for the Brown family admit it was Brown in the vid?
    - So the shop owner, LE, and Browns accomplish, and laywers are all in on it in making the fake vid.

    I am not a Libertarian, hence it could not be me.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Anyone mention yet that last night the liquor store Mike Brown had allegedly robed was looted. Why? The owner was robbed by Brown so now he deserves to have his business destroyed? Something wrong with people.
    It really is a viscous circle in these communities...Riots like this happen, and the businesses who serve them are destroyed, then the very businesses that were destroyed don't reopen in the community, and the charges of racist businesses who won't serve the community start...Who the hell would invest in a place where the people that you want to serve want to destroy you at the first chance?
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That story does not pass the smell test. If he were truly a robbery suspect, then why didn't the officer detain him the first time he stopped him, instead of telling him to get out of the middle of the road? If Brown had actually committed a robbery, then why did he talk to the officer the first time he was stopped, telling the officer that he was only a minute away from his destination, instead of running? Add to that the fact that the kid had never been in trouble with the police, has a clean record, has been described by everybody as shy and soft spoken, and was about to be a college student, then this smacks of a police department cover up. Something smells in Ferguson, Missouri, and it ain't the toilets.
    Until now, I've stayed clear of this thread topic waiting instead for more details/evidence to come out. I think folks need to take a step back on both sides.

    Those who are saying wait until the details come out are correct. We really don't know why the Ferguson police stopped Michael Brown and his friend/associate. However, danarhea makes some good points. For example, people have jumped on this "Michael Brown robbed a store before being shot" storyline but there's no proof of that as this video would indicate. Ferguson police didn't even know about the store incident before they approached him. So, why stop the guy?

    If you watch the alleged robbery video, it doesn't appear that Michael Brown had a weapon. To me it looks his hands were filled with merchandise he intended to buy. The footage shows him (or a man who looks like him) approach the counter and it appears he laid his stuff down. The next cut shows the altercation between Brown and the store clerk, but again you don't see a weapon. All you see is Brown grab the man by his shirt collar, still with merchandise in hand, as attempts to leaves the store. And then he stalks out. That's it. (Sidenote: Furthermore, it doesn't look like cigars he's carrying. It looks more like he has fists full of snack cakes or Slim Jims - too bulking and too long to be cigars. But if such were found on him, at this point I'd be hard pressed to support the claim that he stole them. After all, empty Cigarillos shells are often used to smoke marijuana. He may have already had those beforehand.

    Now, is it possible that the police were made aware of a robbery after they'd already stopped Michael Brown and his friend and one of them panicked? OR that Michael and his friend both refused to go quietly because they believed they were right to walk the streets without harming anyone? Is it possible the cops acted wrong or had the wrong men? Again, from the video it doesn't appear that Michael had cigars in his hands and you don't see a weapon. Of course, the news report never says "armed robbery". Think about that for a moment...

    You see, folks who are laying blame on those who they claim are "jumping to conclusions" about the police shooting a robbery suspect who many say was a good kid are also being quick to judge the kid as a criminal similar to how Treyvon Martin was portrayed when word go out about his troubles in school. Is it possible that Michael Brown was, in fact, a good kid who believed he was being cheated at checkout and pushed the store clerk simply because he was frustrated? We don't see whether money was placed on the counter any more than we see Michael draw a weapon. So, we really don't know if the kid entered the store with criminal intent. But, I would agree on principle that if you walk out of a store without paying for merchandise it is theft. But robbery in this case? Looks like a stretch to me.

    Nonetheless, Michael Brown was obviously a big 18 yr old Black male when compared with the store clerk. Is it possible that the Ferguson police officer jumped the gun here? Again, could he have received word of a recent robbery, believed that Michael Brown and his friend fit the description given, panicked when they heard the word "robbery suspects" (assuming that's how they were described) and then upon seeing how big this kid was acted hastily?

    Regardless of what one believes happened here, one thing is clear: You DON'T shoot an unarmed man with his hands up.

    I'm still listening attentively to the news reports and such, but I'd have to agree with danarhea here. Something just isn't right about this.
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    His attorney is a week-kneed kook.

    One easy giveaway that is that Dorian Johnson wasn't charged w/anything by the police. Normally, anyone who robs a store w/video to prove it is arrested and convicted after the store owners' press charges but the cops are letting him walk free.

    Most likely, it's because the cops coerced him into saying that he robbed the store or else they would charge him w/something else (i. e. some minor drug possession charge of which he was actually guilty) and jail him for that, and his week-kneed attorney agreed to the deal.
    IMO he wasn't charged with anything for two reasons.

    He wasn't the one doing the strong arm robbery, Brown was. You'll notice he (Johnson) put something on the counter and stood back and also when Brown was shoving the clerk at the door Johnson was standing back trying to get out the door.

    Second reasons he (Johnson) is an FBI witness and was given immunity from anything they might charge him with, even though his attorney wouldn't admit to any deal.

    As to the attorney being a "week-kneed kook", I love the way he starts to say they "robbed" the store and then catches himself and says they had "taken" some cigarillos....

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Until now, I've stayed clear of this thread topic waiting instead for more details/evidence to come out. I think folks need to take a step back on both sides.

    Those who are saying wait until the details come out are correct. We really don't know why the Ferguson police stopped Michael Brown and his friend/associate. However, danarhea makes some good points. For example, people have jumped on this "Michael Brown robbed a store before being shot" storyline but there's no proof of that as this video would indicate. Ferguson police didn't even know about the store incident before they approached him. So, why stop the guy?

    If you watch the alleged robbery video, it doesn't appear that Michael Brown had a weapon. To me it looks his hands were filled with merchandise he intended to buy. The footage shows him (or a man who looks like him) approach the counter and it appears he laid his stuff down. The next cut shows the altercation between Brown and the store clerk, but again you don't see a weapon. All you see is Brown grab the man by his shirt collar, still with merchandise in hand, as attempts to leaves the store. And then he stalks out. That's it. (Sidenote: Furthermore, it doesn't look like cigars he's carrying. It looks more like he has fists full of snack cakes or Slim Jims - too bulking and too long to be cigars. But if such were found on him, at this point I'd be hard pressed to support the claim that he stole them. After all, empty Cigarillos shells are often used to smoke marijuana. He may have already had those beforehand.

    Now, is it possible that the police were made aware of a robbery after they'd already stopped Michael Brown and his friend and one of them panicked? OR that Michael and his friend both refused to go quietly because they believed they were right to walk the streets without harming anyone? Is it possible the cops acted wrong or had the wrong men? Again, from the video it doesn't appear that Michael had cigars in his hands and you don't see a weapon. Of course, the news report never says "armed robbery". Think about that for a moment...

    You see, folks who are laying blame on those who they claim are "jumping to conclusions" about the police shooting a robbery suspect who many say was a good kid are also being quick to judge the kid as a criminal similar to how Treyvon Martin was portrayed when word go out about his troubles in school. Is it possible that Michael Brown was, in fact, a good kid who believed he was being cheated at checkout and pushed the store clerk simply because he was frustrated? We don't see whether money was placed on the counter any more than we see Michael draw a weapon. So, we really don't know if the kid entered the store with criminal intent. But, I would agree on principle that if you walk out of a store without paying for merchandise it is theft. But robbery in this case? Looks like a stretch to me.

    Nonetheless, Michael Brown was obviously a big 18 yr old Black male when compared with the store clerk. Is it possible that the Ferguson police officer jumped the gun here? Again, could he have received word of a recent robbery, believed that Michael Brown and his friend fit the description given, panicked when they heard the word "robbery suspects" (assuming that's how they were described) and then upon seeing how big this kid was acted hastily?

    Regardless of what one believes happened here, one thing is clear: You DON'T shoot an unarmed man with his hands up.

    I'm still listening attentively to the news reports and such, but I'd have to agree with danarhea here. Something just isn't right about this.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    His attorney is a week-kneed kook.

    One easy giveaway that is that Dorian Johnson wasn't charged w/anything by the police. Normally, anyone who robs a store w/video to prove it is arrested and convicted after the store owners' press charges but the cops are letting him walk free.

    Most likely, it's because the cops coerced him into saying that he robbed the store or else they would charge him w/something else (i. e. some minor drug possession charge of which he was actually guilty) and jail him for that, and his week-kneed attorney agreed to the deal.


    Or, the video proved Dorian didn't carry out the violent strong-arm robbery Brown did, and under the circumstances it didn't make sense to pursue the case.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post


    Or, the video proved Dorian didn't carry out the violent strong-arm robbery Brown did, and under the circumstances it didn't make sense to pursue the case.
    Nope, doesn't make sense. Aiding/abetting robbery is also a crime. Try again.

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