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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Yes, it changes my perception about both the cop and the victim. Mark Brown was a thug and the cop was likely just doing his job. NTL, I still think the killing was unwarranted and the police are getting too militarized and aggressive.


    I'm sure it's just a coincidence but I can't help but notice that in both the Garner and Brown case the cops used cigarettes as a motive for approaching the men and then escalated the situation from there. Neither of those men deserved to die...especially over something as petty as cigarettes.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I'm sure it's just a coincidence but I can't help but notice that in both the Garner and Brown case the cops used cigarettes as a motive for approaching the men and then escalated the situation from there.
    Your "noticer" seems to be way off then, as that is not the reason in this case at all.
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    No shooting someone dead for stealing swisher sweets still seems way out of proportion and wouldn't have happened to a white teen.
    Except that's not even close to what happened by any account and is a ridiculous reduction and reframe of events.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which is why he deserved to be shot?
    Maybe I missed it, but did someone say he deserved to be shot?

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The baby shot by the SWAT team? The folk in CA (was it?) who were shot in a van when cops were looking for that cop killer? That shooting in NYC where the cops missed the criminal and only hit bystanders?

    Just a couple off the top of the head

    100% is a statement of absolute, and I have thus demonstrated that there is no absolute.
    No, you've failed to prove your statement that "police have shot up many an innocent".

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, it changes my perception about both the cop and the victim. Mark Brown was a thug and the cop was likely just doing his job. NTL, I still think the killing was unwarranted and the police are getting too militarized and aggressive.


    I'm sure it's just a coincidence but I can't help but notice that in both the Garner and Brown case the cops used cigarettes as a motive for approaching the men and then escalated the situation from there. Neither of those men deserved to die...especially over something as petty as cigarettes.
    I'd just like to clarify that in the two cases it wasn't tobacco that was the instigating factor but, rather, resisting a lawful investigation.

    In Garner's case he had a record of selling untaxed cigarettes. I know it's not a violent crime but it's still a crime and warrants investigation. Resistance to such an investigation may legitimately warrant the use of force in obtaining or preserving evidence.

    In Brown's case it appears that he too resisted a lawful investigation. The question at hand in both cases is whether or not the level of force used to preserve evidence was reasonable.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Police chief says that the cop didn't know he just robbed the store when he came up on him. This just released...
    But Brown knew he just robbed a Convenience store.

    Meaning he was probably not in the mood to be confronted by a Police officer.

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'd just like to clarify that in the two cases it wasn't tobacco that was the instigating factor but, rather, resisting a lawful investigation.

    In Garner's case he had a record of selling untaxed cigarettes. I know it's not a violent crime but it's still a crime and warrants investigation. Resistance to such an investigation may legitimately warrant the use of force in obtaining or preserving evidence.

    In Brown's case it appears that he too resisted a lawful investigation. The question at hand in both cases is whether or not the level of force used to preserve evidence was reasonable.
    Why am I getting the idea that this is all turning into another "Clinton was impeached because he got a blow job!" situation?

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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, you've failed to prove your statement that "police have shot up many an innocent".
    I just gave you examples. Less babies, innocent people, and by-standards don't count as "innocent" in your book.

    My statement was that being around cops increases your probability of being shot, and that's not 100% determined by one's own behavior. You disagreed to that. That was the statement, and I have demonstrated for my hypothesis.

    Try again.
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    Re: Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why am I getting the idea that this is all turning into another "Clinton was impeached because he got a blow job!" situation?
    Well, in all these situations, someone really sucked.

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