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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    If Rainman05 was calling the actions of the Russian convoy stupid then he and I would be in agreement. He called the actions of the Ukrainians stupid, however, because he thought it gave Russia a justification for war.
    That's the point.

    Because it's Ukraine, it's a small player.
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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It isn't Casus Belli by any stretch of the imagination. These were Russians invading Ukrainian sovereign territory. The Ukranians were well within their right to blow the crap out of the Russians.

    You can't invade another country and then claim casus belli when they kill you. I mean, that is Hitler-level militarized cynicism. I guess Putin knows his bull**** will be believed by some people...
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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
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    I'm not saying that it doesn't make the intentions to get something from ukraine clear, whether it's invasion or something else...

    I'm just pointing out that ukraine was in a lose-lose position here and there is no escape from this.
    If one is in a no-win situation, best to finish on the plus side of the loss.

    They warned Putin not to send the convoy without allowing full inspection of it's contents. Putin apparently didn't want to comply. Smoldering trucks and maintaining border sovereignty is better than surrender and uncertainty.

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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    It's death by a 1,000 small cuts while Russia slowly escalates and better equips the "separatists" or take a stand. I think Ukraine took the right approach.
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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'Ukraine said its troops attacked and partially destroyed a column of armed vehicles that had crossed the border from Russian territory, while Russia said it was concerned about an attack on another convoy carrying aid.

    Ukrainian government troops engaged the vehicles that had arrived overnight through a rebel-held section of the border, Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for the country’s military, told reporters in Kiev today. Ukrainian soldiers continue to come under shelling, including rounds fired from Russia, he said.'


    Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia - Bloomberg


    Uh oh?

    Is this a one time mistake or an escalation?
    An escalation? It's the destruction of an invading column from a foreign country. Good for them and I hope they killed them all.

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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    It was stupid, that's what it was.

    That 10s video on the link is not going to hold up in court.
    Unless the Ukrainian govt can prove, like really, really prove with loads of evidence that nobody can twist or deny, that indeed the convoy was armed and was in fact, a military operation disguised as a humanitarian one, then it's going to be in big trouble because now Russia has casus belli.


    EDIT: Putin will be singing this tune all the way to Kyiv.
    Unfortunately, we've reached a point that Putin could leave some wreckage on the border and claim Ukraine fired at Russian forces unprovoked. The propaganda guys can work on an explanation to feed the 'alternative' media and sow uncertainty later. Countries like Russia don't need a real causus belli, they'll just take what they want if you let them.

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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, that is very different than your first post in this thread where you called the Ukrainian action "stupid".

    Putin would be stupid to use this as a casus belli since his own people know he is full of crap and the outside world is clear eyed on who is at fault here.
    No it's not.
    The action that Ukraine took was stupid. That doesn't invalidate anything else I said, in fact, it all fits together.

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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Unfortunately, we've reached a point that Putin could leave some wreckage on the border and claim Ukraine fired at Russian forces unprovoked. The propaganda guys can work on an explanation to feed the 'alternative' media and sow uncertainty later. Countries like Russia don't need a real causus belli, they'll just take what they want if you let them.
    That's not beyond the scope of imagination you know. But maybe they didn't think about that yet and instead, opted for this.

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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    They violated the sovereign borders of another country. That can not be denied. The Ukrainian military took the appropriate action.

    But yeah, sit there on your hands and wait to see what Putin says. I'm sure he will clear it all up for you.
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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I propose we ask Ukraine to protect our borders, too!
    Ha...we're selling them about a half a billion dollars in razor wire to separate them from Crimea.

    If they think that will keep out an invading army, we have this old bridge in the desert we could sell them.
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