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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Russian Military Vehicles Crossed Into Ukraine - Business Insider

    Starting to look as if Ukraine's assertion is correct.

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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    All this does is make it painfully clear that Putin's true intentions are an invasion of Ukraine.
    I do not think Putin's intention was to invade Ukraine.
    I believe that thanks to US/EU moves in 2014, he wanted to destabilize Ukraine.
    And since US/EU isn't backing up + there are perfect conditions for Putin to invade Ukraine today (without a big deal) -> he may consider now.
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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yeah, Ukrainians engage Russians inside Ukrainian territory.... who to believe... it is a mystery.

    If you are ready to except the facts that both sides agree on, that there was a Russian convoy in Ukrainian territory, then that is all you need to know. The Russian convoy crossed the border against the express orders of the Ukrainian government and was therefor fair game.
    I'm saying its early, and we have claims from both sides, and we don't know what transpired.
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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    But then the "casus belli" being claimed is utterly pointless. Nobody, including Putin and the Russian people, believe this bull**** so no need for the theatrical production. All this does is make it painfully clear that Putin's true intentions are an invasion of Ukraine.
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    I'm not saying that it doesn't make the intentions to get something from ukraine clear, whether it's invasion or something else...

    I'm just pointing out that ukraine was in a lose-lose position here and there is no escape from this.

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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Again, your blindly accepting Kiev's report having not heard Russia's. You dislike Russia and Putin and your bias is showing. But I think we should be asking questions at this early stage, not making declarations and conclusions.
    I don't need to hear Russia's side of it. The facts of the case speak for themselves. A Russian convoy was destroyed in Ukrainian territory. The simple fact that they were in Ukrainian territory is all the justification needed by the Ukrainian Government. Geography trumps any bull**** Russian claim.
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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I don't need to hear Russia's side of it. The facts of the case speak for themselves. A Russian convoy was destroyed in Ukrainian territory. The simple fact that they were in Ukrainian territory is all the justification needed by the Ukrainian Government. Geography trumps any bull**** Russian claim.
    Ok, if you don't need to hear both sides, fine. Hope you never get called for jury duty!
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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
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    I'm not saying that it doesn't make the intentions to get something from ukraine clear, whether it's invasion or something else...

    I'm just pointing out that ukraine was in a lose-lose position here and there is no escape from this.
    No, that is very different than your first post in this thread where you called the Ukrainian action "stupid".

    Putin would be stupid to use this as a casus belli since his own people know he is full of crap and the outside world is clear eyed on who is at fault here.
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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, that is very different than your first post in this thread where you called the Ukrainian action "stupid".

    Putin would be stupid to use this as a casus belli since his own people know he is full of crap and the outside world is clear eyed on who is at fault here.
    If convoy destroyed was inside Ukraine territory, Ukraine was on it's own right and the action was indeed stupid. There is nothing weird here.
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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, if you don't need to hear both sides, fine. Hope you never get called for jury duty!
    They violated the sovereign borders of another country. That can not be denied. The Ukrainian military took the appropriate action.

    But yeah, sit there on your hands and wait to see what Putin says. I'm sure he will clear it all up for you.
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    Re: Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Convoy From Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    If convoy destroyed was inside Ukraine territory, Ukraine was on it's own right and the action was indeed stupid. There is nothing weird here.
    If Rainman05 was calling the actions of the Russian convoy stupid then he and I would be in agreement. He called the actions of the Ukrainians stupid, however, because he thought it gave Russia a justification for war.
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