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    U.S. Dominates Chinese world university rankings

    US universities dominated the top 20 in an annual ranking of global educational institutions with Harvard remaining in first place ahead of Stanford.

    Read the article here: US dominates Chinese world university rankings


    What do any of those who constantly start threads about the demise of the USA and the ascendance of China have to say about this?

    Maybe the USA will stay on top for a little longer, eh?

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    Re: U.S. Dominates Chinese world university rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    US universities dominated the top 20 in an annual ranking of global educational institutions with Harvard remaining in first place ahead of Stanford.

    Read the article here: US dominates Chinese world university rankings


    What do any of those who constantly start threads about the demise of the USA and the ascendance of China have to say about this?

    Maybe the USA will stay on top for a little longer, eh?
    You certainly cannot say the Chinese are stupid.

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    Re: U.S. Dominates Chinese world university rankings

    I do believe that the ARWU has had quite some critisism in the past, but nonetheless you can conclude that American and Europe universities are in a better position than the Chinese universities. You should not forget though that a large percentage of graduates on these American schools are actually foreign. Many leaving the country after graduation.

    The reason for this is that the USA spends a lot of their money on education, where foreign students benefit from these investments in higher education. Also, the Chinese government subsidises their students and gives them job security after coming back. Maybe the schooling system and subsidies are one of the reasons Chinese universities don't develop the way the American universities do?

    So yes, I do think American universities will stay on top for a little longer, as long as these universities will be fundable for foreigners.
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    Re: U.S. Dominates Chinese world university rankings

    Experience weighs more than college education.

    If I could trade away my college years of study with half the years of work experience in my field, I would do so happily. Having 2 more extra years added to my work life would made me earn almost double I do now and certainly in a position to swap a higher-up position.

    But anyway. Countries usually spend between 1.5-4% of their gdp on R&D.
    If we are to trust this wiki page:
    List of countries by research and development spending - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The US is pretty high up there in terms of % and ofc, the highest by over 100bil in actual money that it invests in R&D to China which is 2nd with about 300bil $.

    But companies will always spend a higher percentage of their gdp on R&D.

    If this list is to be trusted:
    Top 20 R&D Spenders - Not Good Investments - Forbes

    We cam see that companies spend a great deal higher % of their money on R&D than states... though depends on companies. The worlds "richest" company is Exxon if I'm not mistaken at about 400bil euros. Now that's considerably high, and is pretty much the same as the gdp of Austria but because it's in oil, it doesn't invest a lot of money into R&D coz it's money comes out of the ground. Literally. You will see this if you study a bit. IT companies and healthcare(pharma) companies and big agro (like companies that deal with GMOs) and car companies and generally companies that are in very competitive fields where one technology or drug can put them ahead of the game, will always spend a lot of money on R&D while petrol or gas companies will barely spend anything. Coz they don't need to. It is also similar to the way countries with huge resoures will behave. Qatar, saudi arabia, russia, etc, a lot of these big oil companies will always spend very little on R&D and science, while those who aren't resource intensive exploitation-wise will spend a lot more. The one exception is ofc, the US who is oil rich and gas rich but is ofc, spending a lot, though it could do more, and should do more... because apparently, if you look at this video, it's not going all that well.

    Neil deGrasse Tyson: Which country is doing the most science today? [VIDEO]

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    Re: U.S. Dominates Chinese world university rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    If I could trade away my college years of study with half the years of work experience in my field, I would do so happily. Having 2 more extra years added to my work life would made me earn almost double I do now and certainly in a position to swap a higher-up position.
    It is arguable to study computer sciences and programming because by the end of the BS curricula the readings would be obsolete and outdated. It is due to speed of development.

    But findings in other sciences have a slower pace of development. Readings there do not necessarily become obsolete after the BS curriculum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    It is arguable to study computer sciences and programming because by the end of the BS curricula the readings would be obsolete and outdated. It is due to speed of development.

    But findings in other sciences have a slower pace of development. Readings there do not necessarily become obsolete after the BS curriculum.
    Everything I learned in college I could have learned in 1 year by own initiative. I did electronics engineering, but I work in IT.
    And it's not due to the fact that it was a lazy college, it was a good college and a lot to learn, but it was because when you do something for your own desire, you find ways to go about it faster and more in depth. The one thing I'd be missing out of is manual interaction with electronic platforms and instruments and components and boards. So the practical side of things. But all the theoretical knowledge and knowing how to use or learn a computer program that dealt with that... srsly, i could have done it faster and better.

    Colleges have become highschool 2.0 and highschool is BS.

    Education as it is done today everywhere is unfit for purpose in this century. It's good, it's not that it's awful or bad or anything like that, it's just insufficiently efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Everything I learned in college I could have learned in 1 year by own initiative. I did electronics engineering, but I work in IT.
    And it's not due to the fact that it was a lazy college, it was a good college and a lot to learn, but it was because when you do something for your own desire, you find ways to go about it faster and more in depth. The one thing I'd be missing out of is manual interaction with electronic platforms and instruments and components and boards. So the practical side of things. But all the theoretical knowledge and knowing how to use or learn a computer program that dealt with that... srsly, i could have done it faster and better.

    Colleges have become highschool 2.0 and highschool is BS.

    Education as it is done today everywhere is unfit for purpose in this century. It's good, it's not that it's awful or bad or anything like that, it's just insufficiently efficient.
    It just needs better cognitive simulators.
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    Re: U.S. Dominates Chinese world university rankings

    From the OP article:

    'It ranks the best 500 based on six indicators, including the number of Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals won by staff and alumni, and the number of articles published in the journals Nature and Science.

    The factors -- which unlike many other listings do not include teaching quality or graduate employment -- are such that the findings will vary only slowly over time.'


    These indicators are clearly skewed to western and more prestigious universities...these criteria hardly seem like solid indicators of how good the schools actually are.


    Btw, I could care less which is better, U.S. or Chinese schools.

    For the record, I went to an American university and just about all I learned is how to party almost every night of the week and still be able to make it to class in the morning.

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    Re: U.S. Dominates Chinese world university rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    It just needs better cognitive simulators.
    Most of the technical universities are bordering becoming obsolete today. They need to change and adapt if they want to serve the public further on but as the field of technology deepens and expands, they'll not just become obsolete, but they'll become a force for regression and stagnation. There is no reason why people should waste 4-5 years of their lives in an institution that is basically drying them and not letting people expand their wings fully.


    The germans are ofc, as they always been, ahead of the curve on this topic. They have generous and well structured internship and educational programs where students go into companies to learn adn work from the ground up, instead of heading to university. You learn much more and much faster and have access to the newest and greatest at the age of 18 or 19 rather than 23 or 24 when people finish up with college.
    Ofc, there is a better way to go about it. Universities should become a focus point of technological research funded by the state and their mission for education should become complementary. In other words, highschools should become the places where people discover themselves and what they love and want to do in life and universities should become the places where they can complement their workplace education with things that will benefit them both at work and in life. Like if you find out you wanna become a programmer in highschool, you go get an apprenticeship or an internship if you will at a company where you learn these things and then you enroll in college just to find specialized information, like for instance, learn about computer arhitecture to know more about the hardware part than the software part you get from work. Or learn about what's going on in the rest of the world of technology.

    But today, highschool is just the stupid dump which you have to go through to get to college where you actually find out what you want in life and waste a few more years. Pathetic. I blame the educational system for making me waste a few years of my life because it never helped me discover my talents or my ambitions, instead, it always enforced stupid, senseless norms based on an arbitrary definition. And like me, millions accross the world.
    It's unfit for this century. It was great until a few decades ago, until the computer revolution, it's unfit now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Most of the technical universities are bordering becoming obsolete today. They need to change and adapt if they want to serve the public further on but as the field of technology deepens and expands, they'll not just become obsolete, but they'll become a force for regression and stagnation. There is no reason why people should waste 4-5 years of their lives in an institution that is basically drying them and not letting people expand their wings fully.


    The germans are ofc, as they always been, ahead of the curve on this topic. They have generous and well structured internship and educational programs where students go into companies to learn adn work from the ground up, instead of heading to university. You learn much more and much faster and have access to the newest and greatest at the age of 18 or 19 rather than 23 or 24 when people finish up with college.
    Ofc, there is a better way to go about it. Universities should become a focus point of technological research funded by the state and their mission for education should become complementary. In other words, highschools should become the places where people discover themselves and what they love and want to do in life and universities should become the places where they can complement their workplace education with things that will benefit them both at work and in life. Like if you find out you wanna become a programmer in highschool, you go get an apprenticeship or an internship if you will at a company where you learn these things and then you enroll in college just to find specialized information, like for instance, learn about computer arhitecture to know more about the hardware part than the software part you get from work. Or learn about what's going on in the rest of the world of technology.

    But today, highschool is just the stupid dump which you have to go through to get to college where you actually find out what you want in life and waste a few more years. Pathetic. I blame the educational system for making me waste a few years of my life because it never helped me discover my talents or my ambitions, instead, it always enforced stupid, senseless norms based on an arbitrary definition. And like me, millions accross the world.
    It's unfit for this century. It was great until a few decades ago, until the computer revolution, it's unfit now.
    A lot of reform awaits to be done.
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