actually homeland security has engaged in survellience of americans, and one can argue that the TSA has engaged in searches via those body scanners as invasive.
The point I have, is you combine all these things we are doing to American citizens in the name of "Safety" has more to do with surveiling. Facial recognition was tested at a football game I believe I read somewhere. how far do you want this government looking at you and me while claiming to be looking for abu mcjihad....
Yes you have posted it. Why do you think?
I am asking you, is a letter to verizon demaning a full data dump of all thier calls and a gag order in all regards to it,. constitutional? where is your check and balance?
Are you not reading, this is for domestic. read it again my brother.Yup.
That is correct - the authorities for phone calls originating and terminating in foreign countries are already part of Title 50. However I find it entertaining that the headline says foreigners weren't collected against, and then the text says they were
Let me rephrase, I am known for bombastic grandiloquence, I think we should tear alot of it down. Much of it is redundant, and much of it does not have proper oversight. Abuses have been recorded and little repercussions have been meted out.However, you did not really respond. Are you now backing off the claim that we should "tear it all down"?
Yes. You suggested that among the abuses of the NSA were the fact that it conducted offensive cyber operations. I pointed out to you that that was part of their reason for existence, similar to how the CIA has people who run spies, and pointed out that having the ability to run offensive cyber operations against (for example) China or al-Qa'ida was a good thing. Your response (post 549) to that was Again, on foreign folks they suspect of wanting to wage war or terrorism on us, great. randomly spying on Americans on american soil. Why?, which carries with it the implicit claim that the NSA is conducting offensive cyber operations against AMericans.
I see what your are getting at... You want specific proof they are hacking and looking at American computers. I simply don't have the blind trust and faith in the federalis altruistic ideals of protecting you and me.
50,000 CNE implants, including in the USA....
Leaked slide shows NSA hackers secretly infected 50,000 computer networks with malware | Computerworld
Sure. You can't prove a negative. By the same logic, we do not know if the air force is not bombing American cities and then covering it up in massive black-bag operations.
We actually can be pretty sure of that. It's not on the twitter.
1. the source )"The Intercept") seems pretty clearly slanted. The article on the side seems to be suggesting that AQSL aren't militants if we blow them up with a drone, which is counter to pretty much everything we know about that program. It looks like they are also the kind of people who blame victims of terrorism for the terrorism. I'm not going to waste much time, but I do wonder what I would get if I searched their archives for "Bush"+"9/11"+"Conspiracy" or some other similar boolean string. So, suffice to say, I look at their presentation with a bit of a jaundiced eye.
2. I don't know the particulars of the case.
The particulars are there and:
NSA Spied On Five Politically Active American Citizens, The Intercept Reports
In NSA-intercepted data, those not targeted far outnumber the foreigners who are - The Washington Post
Greenwald: Snowden documents show not just Muslim-Americans are targeted by NSA ? RT USA
I can keep going.
....that doesn't make sense. Unless you are arguing for a state/local aspect, there are only the three branches.
know what you said, went beyond the three branches into areas that lack oversight.