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    Re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

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    Oh, okay. You know some people actually have experience in this field, right?

    I own and run an IT security firm. Tell me about your experience.
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    Re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    35P, US Army. That's uhhh...a little bit more than "IT".
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    Re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    We do far more than metadata collection, that's a government lie you are repeating.
    Of course we do. However, the program that everyone has been trying to grant Snowden some kind of weird, sick, hero status over is a metadata collection prrogram.

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    Re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    35P, US Army. That's uhhh...a little bit more than "IT".
    Rev has a few tours under his belt. I don't know if he was a siginter, but he probably has familiarity with collection.

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    Re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You haven't proven you aren't the one behind the program, and here attempting to lay down a false trail. Why should we believe you when you say you aren't?
    Of course I'm behind the program. What better way to support the NSA than denounce it? Snowden is computer generated hologram - his girlfriend was made up in a conference room in an underground bug proof bomb proof room at Ft. Meade.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Of course I'm behind the program. What better way to support the NSA than denounce it? Snowden is computer generated hologram - his girlfriend was made up in a conference room in an underground bug proof bomb proof room at Ft. Meade.
    well I'm glad you are finally admitting it. I shall link this post whenever the subject comes up again, so that people know who to yell at.

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    Re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well I'm glad you are finally admitting it. I shall link this post whenever the subject comes up again, so that people know who to yell at.
    Just make sure you give credit where credit is due - I'm just following instructions from the Pentaverate.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Rev has a few tours under his belt. I don't know if he was a siginter, but he probably has familiarity with collection.
    Meh. Maybe? I was a 35M in my first two assignments and at the time (2005) the easiest way to get a language (which I badly wanted, for a couple unrelated reasons) was to switch over to a Papa, because you need one to do that, and they had a substantial in-call. I was shocked at what was common knowledge in the HUMINT world that no one knew in the SIGINT world and vice versa.

    Likewise, I've had limited experience with military folks that either 1) weren't in MI at all or 2) didn't have substantial exposure to them (senior action arm NCOs, field grade officers), but it's been my experience that unless you're intel, you have virtually no idea how collection works.

    (And, of course, reading threads on DP make me positive that 99% of people don't know anything at all about it, let alone SIGINT)
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    Re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Meh. Maybe? I was a 35M in my first two assignments and at the time (2005) the easiest way to get a language (which I badly wanted, for a couple unrelated reasons) was to switch over to a Papa, because you need one to do that, and they had a substantial in-call. I was shocked at what was common knowledge in the HUMINT world that no one knew in the SIGINT world and vice versa.

    Likewise, I've had limited experience with military folks that either 1) weren't in MI at all or 2) didn't have substantial exposure to them (senior action arm NCOs, field grade officers), but it's been my experience that unless you're intel, you have virtually no idea how collection works.

    (And, of course, reading threads on DP make me positive that 99% of people don't know anything at all about it, let alone SIGINT)
    my own exposure is coming from the perspective of an all source guy. I never got into world of warcraft = not allowed to do SIGINT in the Marine Corps. Limited experience, however, suggests that you are right about the failure to cross-talk well. Ideally the way you beat that is by creating multidisciplinary teams that are co-located and work on the same problem set together... and organizationally that gives senior intel guys little to nothing to do, and so they naturally resist it. I've been in places that have overcome that institutional roadblock, and it works awesome.

    But why would most Americans know about collection? Heck, I went years as an all source guy before I had to sit down and look at even the basics of GSM infrastructure - and I was in a SCIF, reading SIGINT reports.

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    Re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    my own exposure is coming from the perspective of an all source guy. I never got into world of warcraft = not allowed to do SIGINT in the Marine Corps.


    So true.

    Limited experience, however, suggests that you are right about the failure to cross-talk well. Ideally the way you beat that is by creating multidisciplinary teams that are co-located and work on the same problem set together... and organizationally that gives senior intel guys little to nothing to do, and so they naturally resist it. I've been in places that have overcome that institutional roadblock, and it works awesome.
    I was a just a Joe when I wasn't one of those unicorns that knew both (just a little ol title 10 HUMINTer). So even when I became a senior NCO (out now, but I did have an assignment as a 7 before I decided I liked intel more than I liked the military), I was still able to interface with other folks pretty well cause I knew their lingo (except for the real big techies, like cyber; I'm better than the average person there, but by no means an expert). Thankfully, I never had to deal with that turf war pissing contest, for the most part. I wouldn't have had much patience for it and you know much sway an E-7 has: "Thanks for your input, Sergeant, why don't we put you as the battalion ops NCOIC instead, you'll like the hours."

    But why would most Americans know about collection? Heck, I went years as an all source guy before I had to sit down and look at even the basics of GSM infrastructure - and I was in a SCIF, reading SIGINT reports.
    Of course they shouldn't, but then they shouldn't go balls deep into a thread like this and try to tell people "how it is" when in reality they don't know the first thing about it, period. It's like me sitting here and telling people the ins and outs of Russian grammar, having real strong opinions on it, etc, when it turns out...oh ****...I don't even know how to speak Russian at all, let alone am I not in a position to get technical about grammatical ****. In this analogy, there are a few of us that know Russian and even a couple of us that might have a pretty good grasp of technical grammatical rules of the language. Meanwhile, there's dozens of folks that don't know Russian from Polish from Czech sitting here acting like they have something of value to share. Frankly, I enjoy getting elitist about it. "Guess what, not only do you not know what you're talking about, but you don't matter." I relish the truth in those words.
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