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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Please note the links to statutes and policy documents. Wiki is as good as you're going to get in this forum. You seemed to think Wikileaks was credible in an earlier post.
    I do think they're more credible and I think Snowden is more credible. They are actual people - who knows who edits the Wiki links or what motives they may have. As well, Wiki does not address the specific instance that I linked to - which were 5 American's being spied upon by the NSA without FISA.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No, you showed a link that exhibited that NSA stored metadata. That's not spying. Ignorance is bliss, I see.
    So no proof then? I'm shocked...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Nor has it been found right, so why did you bring it up?
    Let me link it again, perhaps this time you'll read it and a light bulb will turn on:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham
    Lawsuits don't last long without evidence - it's one of the requirements for a lawsuit. Can you please post proof that the ACLU's lawsuit is frivolous then - thanks.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I do think they're more credible and I think Snowden is more credible. They are actual people - who knows who edits the Wiki links or what motives they may have. As well, Wiki does not address the specific instance that I linked to - which were 5 American's being spied upon by the NSA without FISA.
    It remains to be seen whether there was any spying.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It remains to be seen whether there was any spying.
    I have no doubt regardless of the outcome. I'm sure there were plenty of people who denied the CIA could overthrow foreign leaders in the 1960's too. I now know too much about America's history in the 20th century to make a statement like "The (enter Government group here) would not do (__enter awful/horrible/grotesque thing here__) and the accusation of such a thing is untrue." In fact, it would be the direct opposite.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I have no doubt regardless of the outcome. I'm sure there were plenty of people who denied the CIA could overthrow foreign leaders in the 1960's too. I now know too much about America's history in the 20th century to make a statement like "The (enter Government group here) would not do (__enter awful/horrible/grotesque thing here__) and the accusation of such a thing is untrue." In fact, it would be the direct opposite.
    Whenever the CIA undertook any action in the 1960's it was under the lawful order of the President.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Whenever the CIA undertook any action in the 1960's it was under the lawful order of the President.
    Because if the President does it, that means it's not illegal right?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So no proof then? I'm shocked...
    ...what? Stored metadata isn't spying. Lions aren't dogs. These things are obvious.

    Color me surprised you didn't know. Watch out! The government is spying on you! Get your tinfoil hat!
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Because if the President does it, that means it's not illegal right?
    The procedures followed were all as prescribed by US law.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Let me link it again, perhaps this time you'll read it and a light bulb will turn on:
    So no answer. Awesome. There was a lawsuit against duke lacrosse players too. Big deal.
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