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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    "Questions legality" doesn't mean much. We've seen how judges can be morons even at SC level.

    Regardless, at the time of Snowden's treason, it was legal.
    A new law or practice can not be considered legal with any finality until it is challenged in court and is ruled constitutional and otherwise legally valid. Until Snowden's revelations the practice was kept secret and there was no legitimate judicial approval. (FISA court decisions don't count)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Thats not the definition of treason.
    It is one of the definitions. Snowden did not attempt to overthrow the government or kill the President. I have seen no convincing evidence that he aided our enemies and that was not his intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Whistle blowing procedures implemented by people that should be exposed as immoral criminals will never be effective.
    The SEC has established a whistle blowing facility. This could be done for government.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Exposing the crimes of government is patriotism, NOT treason.

    Informing citizens of methodical assaults on constitutional principles by the government is patriotism, not treason.

    Elected and appointed officials violating the constitution, THAT is treason.
    Of course the reporting of crimes is legitimate and even required. In as far as it applies to secret information the reporting should at first not be done in a global media campaign. Sorrily this is, what the man did. Even so, that would be something one could discuss excusing within bounds. #

    What is inexcusable, is that he published data that does not show illegal doings but secret and legitimate activities in foreign lands. This has caused the nation severe financial, political and damage to national security. This is treason. And it must be punished harshly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Of course the reporting of crimes is legitimate and even required. In as far as it applies to secret information the reporting should at first not be done in a global media campaign. Sorrily this is, what the man did. Even so, that would be something one could discuss excusing within bounds. #

    What is inexcusable, is that he published data that does not show illegal doings but secret and legitimate activities in foreign lands. This has caused the nation severe financial, political and damage to national security. This is treason. And it must be punished
    harshly.
    So what you're saying is that as long as the government classifies its criminal activity as SECRET, it's OK.

    Sorry Charlie, no can do. Sounds too much like Nixon to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    So what you're saying is that as long as the government classifies its criminal activity as SECRET, it's OK.

    Sorry Charlie, no can do. Sounds too much like Nixon to me.
    That is not, what I said at all. And you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is not, what I said at all. And you know it.
    Right, it should not be done in a global media campaign. I presume you mean it should be done within the system? He should have voiced his objections to his supervisor, right?

    He did.

    Read about Drake, Binney and others with the NSA who tried the same thing, to no avail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The SEC has established a whistle blowing facility. This could be done for government.
    A better analogy would be a whistle blower process for Bear Sterns.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Right, it should not be done in a global media campaign. I presume you mean it should be done within the system? He should have voiced his objections to his supervisor, right?

    He did.

    Read about Drake, Binney and others with the NSA who tried the same thing, to no avail.
    You didn't get it again. There is a difference between publishing domestic breaches of the Constitution or law and publishing international security matters. Snowden did both. Had he only published the domestic things, we might talk about a certain legitimacy. In the case of the other material there can be no leniency, if we want to be at all rational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    A better analogy would be a whistle blower process for Bear Sterns.
    I am not sure I know what you mean with that.

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