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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Sure the publication of the documents had positive impacts. That is fine and good.

    But that is not enough reason to discount the negatives. He simply went too far for that. Had he refrained from publicizing the foreign activities of NSA I could understand your position. As it is, no way.
    I live in the midst of a foreign population that went into a frenzy and is following very negative policy for the US because of the revelations. And after the Manning thing foreign agencies are less likely to reveal sources or even information for fear of embarrassment. The Snowden thing is costing the US dearly.

    That man must go to jail for treason.
    I don't think that's going to happen, Americans are split on this. As they tend to be when it comes to security verses civil liberties.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I'm on team Snowden, and I don't adhere to either. I understand that laws were passed in order to make everything the NSA does completely legal...which makes what they do all the worse for it.
    Good! I'm happy to be wrong in this case, spread the word among your brethren.

    I also support the exposure of how, and to what extent, we were spying on our allies.
    ...why?

    If we found out Germany had a tap on Obamas phone, you'd be perfectly fine with it, right?
    No? I'd prefer a world in which no one spied. I'd also prefer a world in which everyone was nice and everyone was beautiful and smart. Unfortunately, I don't live in one. Nor do you. So I understand that Germany spies on the US just as the US spies on Germany. That's...the world? That's normal.

    Bottom line? Snowmen flipped the light switch on a roach infested basement. We never realized there was a problem, till after he flipped the switch.
    Ah, there's no problem. Let the professionals handle it.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't think that's going to happen, Americans are split on this. As they tend to be when it comes to security verses civil liberties.
    The guy is a criminal, committed treason and he did huge damage. It would be really bad to create the precedence of rewarding such behavior. The way an intelligent society would handle it would be to change the laws where indicated, institutionalize a whistle-blowing method for the future and leave this man in Prison for 5 decades.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I'm on team Snowden, and I don't adhere to either. I understand that laws were passed in order to make everything the NSA does completely legal...which makes what they do all the worse for it.

    I also support the exposure of how, and to what extent, we were spying on our allies.

    If we found out Germany had a tap on Obamas phone, you'd be perfectly fine with it, right?

    Bottom line? Snowmen flipped the light switch on a roach infested basement. We never realized there was a problem, till after he flipped the switch.
    Funny you should say that Kevin....

    "BERLIN (AP) -- Germany's foreign intelligence agency eavesdropped on calls made by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and his predecessor Hillary Clinton, German magazine Der Spiegel reported Saturday.

    The respected news weekly reported that the agency, known by its German acronym BND, tapped a satellite phone conversation Kerry made in 2013 as part of its surveillance of telecommunications in the Middle East. The agency also recorded a conversation between Clinton and former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan a year earlier, Der Spiegel claimed."

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The guy is a criminal, committed treason and he did huge damage. It would be really bad to create the precedence of rewarding such behavior. The way an intelligent society would handle it would be to change the laws where indicated, institutionalize a whistle-blowing method for the future and leave this man in Prison for 5 decades.
    Like I said, not likely. You represent but one of two views on Snowden.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Because that's what intelligence agencies do. I mean are people actually surprised? What did they think they did?
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    ....You represent but one of two views on Snowden.
    That, at least, is true; more or less.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Because that's what intelligence agencies do. I mean are people actually surprised? What did they think they did?
    What surprises me, is the attitude that it is okay that Snowden committed treason, did all that damage in foreign relations, harmed American interests internationally, and was too lazy to publish only material that related to domestic wrong doing of the government.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    They just like to ignore all that, for their own personal political preferences. They simply don't care, while bleating about how we should care about what they want.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    What surprises me, is the attitude that it is okay that Snowden committed treason, did all that damage in foreign relations, harmed American interests internationally, and was too lazy to publish only material that related to domestic wrong doing of the government.
    The NSA damaged foreign relations, some "American interests" are better harmed because they aren't mine and many other Americans interests. And you'd still be throwing Snowden under the bus had he only disclosed information on the NSA's domestic abuses, we all know that because your loyalties are not properly prioritised.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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