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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Does this mean, you would not want data mining to go on? Or is the limit the metadata of communications, if content is kept secret until due cause is established by a court? Does the due cause have to be published, where it endangers third parties?
    Why don't you just leave the bathroom door open, walk down the street naked and leave the external speaker on when you're on the phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, I think that we have to strengthen even more the understanding of " persons, houses, papers, and effects". My data is part of my papers and effect and cannot be searched without proper warrant. Even more, I think we need to define proper usage of data. If I buy something from Amazon, Amazon can use that information to direct market to me. But as it's still my data, they may not sell it or give it away or allow government search without warrant. That's my data, and it must be protected.

    As we further plunge into the electronic era and digital world, it will become more important to expand 4th amendment rights to protect our information, or data, our person, our houses, our papers, and our effects.
    It is not true that your correspondence is protected, when you send it by postcard. And I do not believe it is necessarily a good idea to expand the 4th or protect meta data or even content in all cases. It is, however, very necessary to make absolutely clear, what is and what is not protected.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why don't you just leave the bathroom door open, walk down the street naked and leave the external speaker on when you're on the phone.
    I think you are confusing or at least mixing important and unimportant things. Take the bathroom thing. Lots of people have no problem with being seen naked. And if you meant toilet, there are the habits of high cultures to be contemplated, when you next visit Ephesus or Pompeii, you might take a look at the marble toilet benches that the rich sat on while discussing the fate of the world.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It wasn't offered as a defense! It's a prerequisite. You want Snowden and his crime to stand alone. Where are you calling for those responsible at the NSA, and their crime to stand alone?
    I have....Also, this thread is about Snowden, not the NSA...That is just you trying to strike a false equivalency to muddy the water...You should really stick to the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Okay? Thousands of people have broken the law, what's your point? What's the the law right now? Can you say it?

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Some people thought Rosa Parks deserved the full punishment of the law. These people were on the wrong side of history.
    Great? Some people thought Sirhan Sirhan deserved the full punishment of the law, too. These people were on the right side of history.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Some people thought Rosa Parks deserved the full punishment of the law. These people were on the wrong side of history.
    You're comparing Snowden to Rosa Parks? Really?
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You're comparing Snowden to Rosa Parks? Really?
    Who said anything about rioters and looters?
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Who said anything about rioters and looters?

    Working more than one thread...I changed it....Point still stands...
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Great? Some people thought Sirhan Sirhan deserved the full punishment of the law, too. These people were on the right side of history.
    Sirhan Sirhan committed murder, so, there's that.

    Many people who have done the same thing Snowden has done (even "leaking"/exposing secrets about the same agency) enjoy the label of "whistleblower".

    Nobody who has committed a single instance of political assassination has been exonerated as a purveyor of justice.
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
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