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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is incorrect - he almost certainly is. The manner and timing of this guys' periodic re-entry's into the news are beneficial to Russian foreign policy out of mere coincidence.
    "Almost"? So you don't actually know if he is or not. You are just assuming. With people like you around ready to convict without any evidence what so ever its no wonder Snowden ran.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    So, Rosa Parks: criminal who eroded the rule if law and the very fabric of our democracy, in your eyes.
    No, she was a trained protester who pulled off a very difficult and well-aimed IO campaign. The trick with Civil Disobedience is that you have to be willing to suffer the consequences of breaking the law in order to retain your moral position. Else you are just a criminal with something that every other criminal has - an excuse.

    Strawmen don't make the wild-eyed pro-espionage partisans look any less crazy, gonzo.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    "Almost"? So you don't actually know if he is or not
    With absolute certainty? man, I don't have absolute certainty you are even a human being, and not some kind of DebateBot under development from google.

    If the best you can reach for is that it is technically possible that he isn't - even if it is overwhelmingly probable that he is.... well, I accept that position.

    You are just assuming
    No, I am assessing based off of the available evidence.

    With people like you around ready to convict without any evidence what so ever its no wonder Snowden ran.
    yeah. Because I would have been on the jury.

    Snowden ran because he was guilty it's pretty hard to deny 4 laptops full of stolen data.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Straw man argument: notice of search warrants are not given to the suspect until the search is about to commence.
    we don't tell Mullah Omar McJihad that we are watching his phone at all, much less prior to doing so.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Anyway, can we continue to infer from the desperate need to switch over to an attack on the NSA that there is implicit agreement that Snowden is, in fact, guilty of espionage, and that his actions cannot be defended as stemming from some kind of sense of patriotism, as he has claimed?

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, she was a trained protester who pulled off a very difficult and well-aimed IO campaign. The trick with Civil Disobedience is that you have to be willing to suffer the consequences of breaking the law in order to retain your moral position. Else you are just a criminal with something that every other criminal has - an excuse.

    Strawmen don't make the wild-eyed pro-espionage partisans look any less crazy, gonzo.
    Civil disobedience now must involve unjust suffering?

    Nice roll back of the goal post there. You just got done saying that the law is the law... and now, apparently, the law only counts if it makes you suffer. I see.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    The law IS something now. Can we recognize and agree on that before going forward?
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, she was a trained protester who pulled off a very difficult and well-aimed IO campaign. The trick with Civil Disobedience is that you have to be willing to suffer the consequences of breaking the law in order to retain your moral position. Else you are just a criminal with something that every other criminal has - an excuse.

    Strawmen don't make the wild-eyed pro-espionage partisans look any less crazy, gonzo.
    Being a whistle blower does require being a martyr.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    we don't tell Mullah Omar McJihad that we are watching his phone at all, much less prior to doing so.
    and having a legitimate due process wouldn't change that. The USA has been able to catch many organized crime figures with legitimately legal wiretaps for a long time now.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Once again the defenders of the NSAs metadata collection program are invited to post their phone bills online to prove that it isn't private information.

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