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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is dumb. Saying that relations have had problems in the past does not mean that new problems are not problems in the present or future.
    The same could be said of blaming Snowden for Russia's current "hostility" towards the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    In fact it did, because people change the way they act in order to avoid collection. That's why means methods and capabilities are such closely held secrets.
    So Russia now uses nothing but paper and couriers in all that they do now? Including making calls outside of Russia? Puhleeze.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Which is precisely why Snowden taking them all that data and then helping them achieve their geopolitical goals is so disastrous.
    He never meant to stay in Russia. IE: He never meant to give them anything. It was being hemmed in by the US that forced his hand in that.

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    Snowden chose to go to Russia.
    Actually Snowden was just passing through Russia. Remember, he couldn't even leave the airport for quite awhile because Russia didn't even want him at first.

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    The Government has a strong history of putting people who commit espionage on trial, where Snowden would have had all the advantages to demonstrate that he was not guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. He chose not to avail himself of that opportunity, rather demonstrating what he thought of his likelihood of being able to pull that off was.
    Oh yeah, I'm sure that they would have given him a fair trial huh? Tell me, where is Jullian Assaunge currently? Why is he hiding from the US Government again? Someone who isn't even a citizen and yet they want to charge him with Treason and all other kinds of federal criminal charges. Despite the fact that it is well known that journalists (and whether you like it or not he IS one) has known protections for "leaking" government info.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are free to disagree with SCOTUS if you like (I do on plenty of things), but under our system of government they are the arbiter.
    Except that it wasn't SCOTUS that passed out the "warrants" that "allowed" the NSA to do what they did. It was a FISA court. A Monkey Court that has absolutely NO oversight or accountability and everything that they do is hidden.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except that it wasn't SCOTUS that passed out the "warrants" that "allowed" the NSA to do what they did. It was a FISA court. A Monkey Court that has absolutely NO oversight or accountability and everything that they do is hidden.
    And, its a rubber stamp court that gives out 99.7% of requests!
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    According to people that are much more versed in American law than you- and in an actual legal position to make such rulings- no.

    Sorry you don't like the ruling. Write a letter or something.
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are free to disagree with SCOTUS if you like (I do on plenty of things), but under our system of government they are the arbiter.
    Do you both agree that the ruling handed down in Plessy v. Ferguson was just fine for the 58 years it existed? I mean, it was the law after all...

    I'll also remind you that the Fourth Amendment requires narrow and specific oversight for searches and seizures:

    FISA Court Appears To Be Rubber Stamp For Government Requests : NPR
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It doesn't take a rocket scientist or constitutional scholar or a lawyer to know that mass collection of private data without probably cause against millions of completely innocent people is against our Right to Privacy.
    This doesn't really comport with reality, though.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Do you both agree that the ruling handed down in Plessy v. Ferguson was just fine for the 58 years it existed? I mean, it was the law after all...

    I'll also remind you that the Fourth Amendment requires narrow and specific oversight for searches and seizures:

    FISA Court Appears To Be Rubber Stamp For Government Requests : NPR
    Can't you say that about anything?
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except that it wasn't SCOTUS that passed out the "warrants" that "allowed" the NSA to do what they did. It was a FISA court.
    That is incorrect. Since the claim that the FISA court ruling allowing the collection of metadata in the form of point-to-point transmission records is a violation of the 4th Amendment, it's adherents have to deal with the fact that SCOTUS already dealt with that exact same data base, and ruled that it did not fall under 4th Amendment protection. The FISA court derived its' ruling from SCOTUS direction.

    A Monkey Court that has absolutely NO oversight or accountability and everything that they do is hidden.
    you can call it whatever epithet you like. Announcing to Mullah Omar McJihad that we intend to watch your gmail account from now on because we know that is where you are planning your CONUS-based attacks is amazingly stupid CT practice, which is why no administration of either party no matter what their personal inclinations or backgrounds will do it.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Do you both agree that the ruling handed down in Plessy v. Ferguson was just fine for the 58 years it existed? I mean, it was the law after all...
    No- it was absolutely not "fine". However, it was the law. The alternative is to overthrow the system of rule of law and replace it with a system of rule of man - which history has demonstrated to be far more likely to lead to abuse. Ask yourself if you want a President Obama or a President Ted Cruz to be the one deciding what is and is not legal on any given day.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What a putz this guy is....I hope when he is caught he spends the rest of his natural life behind bars.
    I hope he is pardoned and made a national hero. the only ones who should spend the rest of their lives behind bars are the traitorous rats in the NSA spying on Americans and elected officials who continue to allow the NSA to spy on Americans.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    This is my first post. So, hello to all.
    As for Mr. Snowden. I would have to say the word "traitor" comes to mind. While the NSA may have been up to some no good, there are options available to a true "whistleblower" other than running off to our two biggest "rivals/enemies" seeking refuge giving up only he knows what information. I believe he should be captured, tried and judged accordingly.
    This Hero Worship of him in my mind is not only silly, but downright scary. It worries me that so many citizens find this country so, well, disgusting? Not really sure what word to use there.

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