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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    ....Er...all the people that really disagree with the laws that he broke like to ignore that he broke laws, you mean. Snowden disclosed nothing illegal, just things that some people wish that were illegal.
    Except that what the NSA did WAS and IS illegal. Violating some ones Right to Privacy is a violation of Constitutional Law. And no jury rigged, fake "court" can change that fact.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except that what the NSA did WAS and IS illegal.
    According to people that are much more versed in American law than you- and in an actual legal position to make such rulings- no.

    Sorry you don't like the ruling. Write a letter or something.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: Relations were already damaged. Remember Bush? Obama hasn't exactly fixed that ya know.
    That is dumb. Saying that relations have had problems in the past does not mean that new problems are not problems in the present or future.

    2: Leaking that information did not stop the ability of the NSA to still collect data. Its not like anyone in this day and age can stop using telephones, computers etc etc. Even in Russia.
    In fact it did, because people change the way they act in order to avoid collection. That's why means methods and capabilities are such closely held secrets.

    3: Russia has never really been "friendly" towards the US anyways.
    Which is precisely why Snowden taking them all that data and then helping them achieve their geopolitical goals is so disastrous.

    4: Snowden probably wouldn't have given Russia any info (if he even did) if the US government hadn't hemmed him in Russia. Snowden probably wouldn't have even fled if he hadn't been so sure that the government would go after him for informing the public of the NSAs wrongdoings. Why was he so sure? Look at the governments past history of going after anyone and everyone that exposed their wrong doings and you will have your answer.
    Snowden chose to go to Russia. The Government has a strong history of putting people who commit espionage on trial, where Snowden would have had all the advantages to demonstrate that he was not guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. He chose not to avail himself of that opportunity, rather demonstrating what he thought of his likelihood of being able to pull that off was.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except that what the NSA did WAS and IS illegal. Violating some ones Right to Privacy is a violation of Constitutional Law. And no jury rigged, fake "court" can change that fact.
    You are free to disagree with SCOTUS if you like (I do on plenty of things), but under our system of government they are the arbiter.

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Two separate things.

    1: NSA spying

    2: Snowden spying

    The problem so many have is that they cannot think of them as two separate things. To use a historical example: Benedict Arnold had some pretty good reasons for being pissed off at the revolutionary army and continental congress. This does not excuse his turning coat.
    But without Snowden spying and releasing the information we wouldn't know about the extent of the illegality that has been occurring. Snowden revealed the level of Big Brother that's going on. That alone is commendable.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    we wouldn't know about the extent of the illegality that has been occurring.
    Again, it seems like many people on this site have an inability to discern what is illegal and what they wish were.

    This isn't nitpicking: this is the biggest part of this issue.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But without Snowden spying and releasing the information we wouldn't know about the extent of the illegality that has been occurring. Snowden revealed the level of Big Brother that's going on. That alone is commendable.
    Which directly impulsed Sensenbrenner to move thru a bill (AFA) with bi-partisan support for comprehensive reforms to the NSA. Besides federal judges, retired judges, law professors, constitutional lawyers and many more all find the NSA domestic spying reprehensible, but a direct violation of our fourth amendment.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    True enough, but he didn't go to jail for a treasonous act, is my point.
    That's correct. He did not have to serve his 30-month sentence. He did have to pay a $250,000 fine and serve 2 years' probation.

    Bush commutes Libby's prison sentence - CNN.com

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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    That's correct. He did not have to serve his 30-month sentence. He did have to pay a $250,000 fine and serve 2 years' probation.

    Bush commutes Libby's prison sentence - CNN.com
    But he should have went to prison, the point, and three years was a joke. But hey, I'm not surprised, its rare that politicians are punished for their crimes, though the justice system tried.
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    re: Snowden embraces American flag in WIRED photo shoot[W:511]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    According to people that are much more versed in American law than you- and in an actual legal position to make such rulings- no.

    Sorry you don't like the ruling. Write a letter or something.
    It doesn't take a rocket scientist or constitutional scholar or a lawyer to know that mass collection of private data without probably cause against millions of completely innocent people is against our Right to Privacy.
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