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    U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    This would be very limited but....
    For a good purpose IMO (saving Yazidis, and maybe some Christians), but this opens the doors to Mission Creep.
    Hagel says it "Wouldn't be boots on the ground", but it would be.
    Apparently the UK is agreeable and ready to go as well.
    We've hit their artillery but apparently need to go in physically to break the siege.


    U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Proposal Under Development Could Put Americans in Direct Confrontation with Islamic State Militants
    By DION NISSENBAUM
    Updated Aug. 13, 2014 12:27 a.m. ET
    http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-w...LEFTTopStories


    WASHINGTON—The U.S. is weighing a military mission in Iraq to rescue thousands of Yazidi refugees, a move that risks putting American forces in direct confrontation with Sunni fighters for the Islamic State. The proposal is still under development and hasn't been approved by President Barack Obama. U.S. officials said the rescue mission is one of many options the U.S. military is weighing after dropping food and water to dying refugees over the past six days.

    "People are looking at ways to do something more than just drop water and supplies," one senior U.S. official said. "You can only do that for so long." Since last week, the U.S. has sought to halt the militants' advance on the Kurdish city of Erbil and to relieve Yazidis trapped by the fighters on a barren mountain range through a campaign of airstrikes and aid drops.

    A rescue mission could expose U.S. forces to direct fire from the militant group Islamic State, also known as ISIS, and that is a risk Mr. Obama may not be willing to accept.

    On Tuesday, the Pentagon continued to lay the groundwork for a rescue by sending another 130 military advisers to northern Iraq to develop options the Pentagon can present to the president. The team will be made up of U.S. Marines and members of American special operations forces who have expertise in difficult missions.

    The U.K. government also announced it was sending several Chinook transport helicopters to the region—a move that would position British forces to help rescue Yazidi refugees struggling to survive in the mountain range.

    Mr. Obama has repeatedly emphasized that the air campaign would be limited in scope, if not duration. At the same time, the U.S. has opened the door to offering more support to the Iraqi government if it successfully establishes a new government. It is already covertly supplying Kurdish forces with arms, U.S. officials said.

    "This is not a combat, boots-on-the-ground operation," said Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel during a talk Tuesday afternoon with U.S. Marines at Camp Pendleton, Calif. "But, short of that, there are some things that we can continue to do—and we are doing."

    No rescue operation is likely to take place until the U.S. military gets a better understanding of the scope of the crisis. American officials don't know how many refugees are trapped in the mountains. Estimates range from several thousand to as many as 35,000 people.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    This would be very limited but....
    For a good purpose IMO (saving Yazidis, and maybe some Christians), but this opens the doors to Mission Creep.
    Hagel says it "Wouldn't be boots on the ground", but it would be.
    Apparently the UK is agreeable and ready to go as well.
    We've hit their artillery but apparently need to go in physically to break the siege.


    U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Proposal Under Development Could Put Americans in Direct Confrontation with Islamic State Militants
    By DION NISSENBAUM
    Updated Aug. 13, 2014 12:27 a.m. ET
    U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees - WSJ

    This is not an Anglo-American problem and we should not make it one. This is the international community's, that of the large countries and the
    UN's problem. The US should be out there hammering that point home. The UN signed up to a Responsibility to Protect in 2005. It is time it took that responsibility.

    Only after it should become apparent to all that that is the responsibility of the UN and its members and is is visible and apparent to all which members are shirking their responsibility and why should the US agree to doing anything beyond bombing strikes to protect the populations.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    This would be very limited but....
    For a good purpose IMO (saving Yazidis, and maybe some Christians), but this opens the doors to Mission Creep.
    Hagel says it "Wouldn't be boots on the ground", but it would be.
    Apparently the UK is agreeable and ready to go as well.
    We've hit their artillery but apparently need to go in physically to break the siege.


    U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Proposal Under Development Could Put Americans in Direct Confrontation with Islamic State Militants
    By DION NISSENBAUM
    Updated Aug. 13, 2014 12:27 a.m. ET
    U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees - WSJ
    This is interesting.
    "A rescue mission could expose U.S. forces to direct fire from the militant group Islamic State, also known as ISIS, and that is a risk Mr. Obama may not be willing to accept".

    This decision should be left to the military rather than a politician more interested in the polls than displaying any form of leadership. The US Military, if it has the opportunity to get serious and out of the political realm, would never be too concerned about 'direct fire' or 'risk'. All that would be taken into account and a calculated response quickly forthcoming.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    This is not an Anglo-American problem and we should not make it one.
    What does that even mean. One should only help ones "own people"?

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What does that even mean. One should only help ones "own people"?
    How about Saudis, Israel, Turkey, Iran or whoever clean up that mess? It's in their own backyard and not one of those countries are found of ISIS.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    How about Saudis, Israel, Turkey, Iran or whoever clean up that mess? It's in their own backyard and not one of those countries are found of ISIS.
    That would be great. However, if they do not, then we probably should do something.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    The Iraqi government used to commit genocide against the Kurds, now they fight together to stop genocide.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That would be great. However, if they do not, then we probably should do something.
    Nope. This is a situation where the US should go to Kurds, Turkey, Iran, Israel and Syria (yes, Syria) and build a coalition to break ISIS. Enemies need to become Frenemies for this. Israel can provide refuge. Syria can fight ISIS in Syria. Turkey can sweep down to the area pushing ISIS out, Kurds can push from the East to the West with Iranian help. For this, Kurds would get a state and give up claims in Turkey. Iran and US/Israel would have a talking relationship. Two birds, One stone.

    But alas some don't see the chances here and would rather force American forces down the throat of the region again. These countries won't learn to work together or be cordial with each other if they have the US fix the problems all the time. It's about time the middle eastern countries work together.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The Iraqi government used to commit genocide against the Kurds, now they fight together to stop genocide.
    Iraq has done **** to stop genocide, that Kurds couldn't do if they had US funding and training.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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