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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I only heard of the red line being drawn. There was more?
    Weapons and Gear sent to militants fights Assad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont think thats it-ISIS was no fan of the US even before we were in Syria (see their own platform in their own words). ISIS is opportunistic and saw the cat was away in Iraq, hence the move there.
    So little unknown facts about ISIS.

    ISIS itself comes from Sunni militants the US was fighting in Iraq. It first started in 2000 as JTJ (al-Zarqawi's group). Then US went to Iraq and JTJ followed. US Military, CIA, Pundits and Politicos called them AQI. JTJ help create Mujahideen Shura Council (basically an umbrella group for all Sunni militant groups). MSC renamed it's self ISI in 2006. ISI stands for Islamic State of Iraq. During this time ISI split from Al-Qaeda. First leader of ISI was Abu Abdullah al-Rashid al-Baghdadi (was killed in 2010 by US). The next and current leader is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. When ISI went to Syria to fight, the added Syria to the name and become ISIS.

    ISI(S) knows the US very well.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    So little unknown facts about ISIS.

    ISIS itself comes from Sunni militants the US was fighting in Iraq. It first started in 2000 as JTJ (al-Zarqawi's group). Then US went to Iraq and JTJ followed. US Military, CIA, Pundits and Politicos called them AQI. JTJ help create Mujahideen Shura Council (basically an umbrella group for all Sunni militant groups). MSC renamed it's self ISI in 2006. ISI stands for Islamic State of Iraq. During this time ISI split from Al-Qaeda. First leader of ISI was Abu Abdullah al-Rashid al-Baghdadi (was killed in 2010 by US). The next and current leader is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. When ISI went to Syria to fight, the added Syria to the name and become ISIS.

    ISI(S) knows the US very well.
    Perhaps you misunderstood. The history of ISIS does not change the fact that they dont like the US-again in their own words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Perhaps you misunderstood. The history of ISIS does not change the fact that they dont like the US-again in their own words.
    Or maybe you don't understand that ISIS was created to fight the US in Iraq. No US invading Iraq, no ISIS. Just like if Russia didn't invade Afghanistan, there would have been no Taliban. Actions have Consequences or know in the world of Intel, blow back.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Or maybe you don't understand that ISIS was created to fight the US in Iraq. No US invading Iraq, no ISIS. Just like if Russia didn't invade Afghanistan, there would have been no Taliban. Actions have Consequences or know in the world of Intel, blow back.
    ISIS has already threatened the USA and are confident they will advance in Europe. They entered Iraq AFTER the US had pulled their troops..

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    ISIS has already threatened the USA and are confident they will advance in Europe. They entered Iraq AFTER the US had pulled their troops..

    Here is a "Dutchman" photographed with severed heads. Not for the squeamish but more for those who feel the earlier photos weren't authenticated.

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    As if these guys were sunshine and rainbows before 9/11. Islamists are Islamists and they will hate the west regardless.

    BTW-those are the heads of Christians killed by ISIS, no doubt because the US invaded Iraq.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Or maybe you don't understand that ISIS was created to fight the US in Iraq. No US invading Iraq, no ISIS. Just like if Russia didn't invade Afghanistan, there would have been no Taliban. Actions have Consequences or know in the world of Intel, blow back.
    But will there blowback on ISIS?

    Keep in mind that the Desert Storm and it's consequences were also 'blowback' on Saddam Hussein. This blowback theory may be handy for anyone who wants to explain something in the simplest terms possible but doesn't lend itself to much worthwhile analysis.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    In that region, every time we fund and train people to fight we end up in a fight with them.
    And I wonder how many ages are required to get a lesson from that.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But will there blowback on ISIS?

    Keep in mind that the Desert Storm and it's consequences were also 'blowback' on Saddam Hussein. This blowback theory may be handy for anyone who wants to explain something in the simplest terms possible but doesn't lend itself to much worthwhile analysis.
    ISIS can break up to several different groups and make it harder to collect intel and going after those groups. Ah, yes. Saddam Hussein didn't have blow back on him after Desert Storm. He was still in power and kept his sphere of influence. He gassed the Kurds, still tortured and ran rough shod over the Shia.

    Blow back is a term applied when one doesn't think about the consequences of ones actions. US had no real plan for Iraq after overthrowing Saddam. US didn't understand Iraqi society or how much they hate each other. US just didn't get it. Democracy isn't gonna work in Iraq and we overthrow the one guy who everybody feared in the society because that guy was a homicidal maniac.

    So some blow back for ISIS would be US would be doing a favor for Syria (Russia) and Iran. US would be allying with them as ISIS is their enemy, while at the same time solidifying Iranian influence in Iraq. That means the US had to choose between keeping Assad in power, giving all influence in Iraq to Iran, who by the way are supporting Iraq more then any country right now and basically handing Russia a naval base in the Med or letting ISIS cause trouble for Syria, Iran and their "allies" Iraq and Russia.
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