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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    No, it's not far reaching. I am not comparing UK to US in occupying and colonizing but rather stepping in a hornet's nest and expecting different results. There is a reason why the British, French, and Italians said "**** this" and leave places like Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, and Afghanistan. US just hasn't learned it yet. Well, Reagan did with Lebanon.
    When was the last time the euro nations (save the UK)were attacked by people from these regions?

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    When was the last time the euro nations (save the UK)were attacked by people from these regions?
    Depends. France never really had an issue with Syria and Lebanon as Syria was ran by a Dictator ever since and Lebanon was pretty much a stable society until Lebanese Civil War which last until the 1990s. But France never got forcefully involved in their matters. On the other hand France got involved in Algeria and French have dealt with many attacks from Algerians and Algerian groups, like the events in Toulouse and Montauban shootings which was done by an Algerian.

    Italians gave up on Somalia and haven't looked back.

    When European countries who had former colonies in these areas left the **** alone after they left.. they weren't attacked. So I don't know how that's gonna help your position.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Depends. France never really had an issue with Syria and Lebanon as Syria was ran by a Dictator ever since and Lebanon was pretty much a stable society until Lebanese Civil War which last until the 1990s. But France never got forcefully involved in their matters. On the other hand France got involved in Algeria and French have dealt with many attacks from Algerians and Algerian groups, like the events in Toulouse and Montauban shootings which was done by an Algerian.

    Italians gave up on Somalia and haven't looked back.

    When European countries who had former colonies in these areas left the **** alone after they left.. they weren't attacked. So I don't know how that's gonna help your position.
    Until Obama poked his nose into Syria-there had been almost NO American presence there.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Sounds nice but the Kurds aren't in those nations by chance-that is where they have lived historically. Why should 23 million people who have lived there for over 4000 years leave their homeland at the end of a turkish or Iranian gun?

    I think you need to recognize the difference between what you'd like to think would be a convenient political solution to a complex problem-and the difference between it being done by force and voluntarily. If you'd support a carrot for the Kurds rather than a stick let me know.
    LOL, wiki education, gotta love it.

    I never said they were by chance and that area is their "historical" home land. It's about getting 23 million people to leave and move to Kurdistan. It would sit from Iran/Iraq/Turkey border to Mosul down the Tigris to Karkuk which is still their historical homeland.

    It's also not forcing them. They can choose to live in Turkey and Iran if they pleas but they would have Kurdistan now. It's about getting Turkey and Iran from funding the Kurdish separatist groups. Right now you have Turkey funding PJAK (Kurds) in Iran and in Turkey you have the PKK funded by Iran. Both groups are fighting against States that will not give them Turkish or Iranian land. None. Iraq on the other hand can't police itself in Northern half where Kurdistan would lie.

    So it's about getting Turkey and Iran to remove funding and training and saying hey we are creating a state for you in Iraq. That's carrot and not a stick approach.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Until Obama poked his nose into Syria-there had been almost NO American presence there.
    So you are catching on. American pokes it's nose into a country and makes a situation worse. ISIS would exist if US didn't involved. Syria would have wiped them off the map already.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    LOL, wiki education, gotta love it.

    I never said they were by chance and that area is their "historical" home land. It's about getting 23 million people to leave and move to Kurdistan. It would sit from Iran/Iraq/Turkey border to Mosul down the Tigris to Karkuk which is still their historical homeland.

    It's also not forcing them. They can choose to live in Turkey and Iran if they pleas but they would have Kurdistan now. It's about getting Turkey and Iran from funding the Kurdish separatist groups. Right now you have Turkey funding PJAK (Kurds) in Iran and in Turkey you have the PKK funded by Iran. Both groups are fighting against States that will not give them Turkish or Iranian land. None. Iraq on the other hand can't police itself in Northern half where Kurdistan would lie.

    So it's about getting Turkey and Iran to remove funding and training and saying hey we are creating a state for you in Iraq. That's carrot and not a stick approach.
    Understood but what if the carrot does not work? What then?

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    So you are catching on. American pokes it's nose into a country and makes a situation worse. ISIS would exist if US didn't involved. Syria would have wiped them off the map already.
    I dont think thats it-ISIS was no fan of the US even before we were in Syria (see their own platform in their own words). ISIS is opportunistic and saw the cat was away in Iraq, hence the move there.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    So you are catching on. American pokes it's nose into a country and makes a situation worse. ISIS would exist if US didn't involved. Syria would have wiped them off the map already.
    I only heard of the red line being drawn. There was more?

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont think thats it-ISIS was no fan of the US even before we were in Syria (see their own platform in their own words). ISIS is opportunistic and saw the cat was away in Iraq, hence the move there.
    ISIS, following their debut in the best Capitols of Europe, seem to more Allies than poor Obama.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    ISIS, following their debut in the best Capitols of Europe, seem to more Allies than poor Obama.
    This is hope and change.

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