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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Those countries have to work together or US will be back in Iraq and Middle East just as long as the British were and end up as the same fate as the British.. forced out and everything still ****ty.
    Thats a bit far reaching, isnt it? Are you comparing Imperial Britain to the US today? Its not even close, save that both are/were superpowers.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yes, Turkey would gain something out of it and the Kurds would too. PKK would give up fight in Turkey and Kurds would get Kurdistan out of Northern Iraq. Both sides do hate each other but both sides want to be rid of each other. That is a way to do it.
    Turkey and Iran may very well not want to cooperate, what then? What if the Kurds dont want to leave Turkey and Iran?

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Seems this all might not even be an issue anymore.

    Situation might not be as bad as was thought:
    U.S. emergency rescue in Iraq not necessary, Pentagon says - The Portland Press Herald / Maine Sunday Telegram

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    Seems this all might not even be an issue anymore.

    Situation might not be as bad as was thought:
    U.S. emergency rescue in Iraq not necessary, Pentagon says - The Portland Press Herald / Maine Sunday Telegram
    Yeah I heard about this, seems some may have just escaped off the mountain. But I think we can expect this type of thing to happen again.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    What does this even mean?
    That it is on the other side of the world and the neighborhood should take care of the situation. We should help and support in pacifying the area. Of course. But do it ourselves? When the Arab and African Leagues don't and Turkey doesn't and the EU doesn't there are Russia and Iran. After all, they goofed in Syria where the IS comes from. Then there is the UN. After all of these have failed, we might want to do something. But why?

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Gotcha... I still think genocide is a line that can't be crossed.
    It's a nice sentiment really, and unlike some that think the US is the greatest evil to mankind, I also appreciate the fact that the US military does step into some of these situations. But if the US were to create a foreign policy based on stopping genocide around the world, we'd need easily twice the military and to begin nation building in about a dozen countries across the world. We just don't have the resources to do something on that scale. And that's ignoring the messes that would be created through us sticking our noses into each and everyone of these conflicts. And even if we stop some of these genocides, all that happens is the side that was being ... genocided... just turns around and returns the favor when we leave (a la Iraq come to think about it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Turkey and Iran may very well not want to cooperate, what then? What if the Kurds dont want to leave Turkey and Iran?
    Turkey and Iran work together already and have for years. Both have economics ties in the range of $30 billion a year. 30% of Turkey's oil supply comes from Iran. It's a very complex relationship.

    Kurds would leave Turkey for their own state with pressure from Iran as those groups are Iranian backed, while the Kurds in Iran are backed by Turkey. You can have a mutual agreement to cease funding in exchange for a State. Something Iran and Turkey don't exactly want but they are tired of funding the Kurds and dealing with them in their country.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats a bit far reaching, isnt it? Are you comparing Imperial Britain to the US today? Its not even close, save that both are/were superpowers.
    No, it's not far reaching. I am not comparing UK to US in occupying and colonizing but rather stepping in a hornet's nest and expecting different results. There is a reason why the British, French, and Italians said "**** this" and leave places like Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, and Afghanistan. US just hasn't learned it yet. Well, Reagan did with Lebanon.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That it is on the other side of the world and the neighborhood should take care of the situation. We should help and support in pacifying the area. Of course. But do it ourselves? When the Arab and African Leagues don't and Turkey doesn't and the EU doesn't there are Russia and Iran. After all, they goofed in Syria where the IS comes from. Then there is the UN. After all of these have failed, we might want to do something. But why?
    Egypt is stepping up to the plate and others ME countries will as well, I believe, though more behind the scenes. Exclusive: With Muslim Brotherhood crushed, Egypt sets sights on Hamas | Reuters

    The US should not have to be alone among the democracies and shame on those who don't help. A real problem is that many world leaders don't trust Obama, or his commitment to getting the job done.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Turkey and Iran work together already and have for years. Both have economics ties in the range of $30 billion a year. 30% of Turkey's oil supply comes from Iran. It's a very complex relationship.

    Kurds would leave Turkey for their own state with pressure from Iran as those groups are Iranian backed, while the Kurds in Iran are backed by Turkey. You can have a mutual agreement to cease funding in exchange for a State. Something Iran and Turkey don't exactly want but they are tired of funding the Kurds and dealing with them in their country.
    Sounds nice but the Kurds aren't in those nations by chance-that is where they have lived historically. Why should 23 million people who have lived there for over 4000 years leave their homeland at the end of a turkish or Iranian gun?

    I think you need to recognize the difference between what you'd like to think would be a convenient political solution to a complex problem-and the difference between it being done by force and voluntarily. If you'd support a carrot for the Kurds rather than a stick let me know.

    Kurds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    History of the Kurdish people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Kurdistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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