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[RIP]Robin Williams Dead at 63 [W:194:238]

Re: Robin Williams committed suicude.

I'll admit that I am somewhat judgmental about suicide. I haven't and won't say anything disparaging about Williams, but suicide always confounds me, and that's because both of my parents died way too young, and both of them fought so hard against their diseases to try to stay alive, and didn't want to die, but did anyway. When I think about someone who intentionally takes his/her own life, I can't understand it, and then get a little, wee bit, I'll admit - resentful.

Please don't stomp me for saying that.

I used to be that way too, Tres. I would get so pissed, and just rail against the person for being so selfish. I never really thought about them being mentally ill, until somebody here talked about it, at length. I don't remember who committed suicide, but it pissed me right off. They had families that loved them, and they just gave up. Suicide doesn't hurt the person who does it, it hurts the people who are left behind. But then I started looking at it as a true mental illness, and I think differently. I still don't understand 100%, but at least I am not furious with him like I would have been before. I just feel sorry for him. I feel more sorry for his family, but still...
 
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My personal experience was that one of my best friends in high school, and my youngest son, committed suicide.

So sorry for your loss, Lizzie. I had no idea. <hug>
 
Well, to be honest, I don't know if more funding could actually fix the problem. My solution wasn't psychotherapeutic drugs, and it took me years to resolve, and much pain and grief. Psych is still one of the most misunderstood fields in medicine, and what I consider effective treatment is very expensive. I'm not one who thinks that slapping a bandaid on it can really work. It takes more time, patience, and dedication than most people have, and if you get professional treatment in the form of effective and good therapy (which I believe is important), it is prohibitively expensive. I am just fortunate in that I was able to eventually deal with as as well as I do.

Robin Williams was right in Good Will Hunting when his character said, "It's not your fault".

"It's not your fault".

"It's not your fault".
 
Some slightly lesser-known Robin Williams movies I enjoyed...


The World According to Garp
The Survivors (with Walter Matthau)
Moscow on the Hudson
the Birdcage (hilarious, with Gene Hackman and Nathan Lane)

... but my favorite Robin Wiliams role...




I read that they just let Robin Williams run with the role of Genie. It was almost completely ad-libbed. Any Robin Williams fan could totally tell this, without them even telling us. :lol:
 
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So sorry for your loss, Lizzie. I had no idea. <hug>

Yeah, suicide is one of those things that you don't really like to talk about, when it was your kid. There is an element of guilt that comes with it, because you wonder how you could have missed that something was going terribly wrong with your own child. Unfortunately, there aren't always signs, and you have no clue that anything was wrong until it's too late. That was the case here. We were all wondering wtf? We will always wonder wtf. Some questions are never answered, so you learn to live without assurances that life will always be good and predictable. It really minimizes the importance of so many trivial matters, and makes you realize that life just happens, no matter what you think, or how you feel.
 
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Very sad indeed. And to think morons like Limbaugh have to make this into something political.

How so? I haven't read that, but then I haven't been home much today.

Edited: Never mind. I should have continued to read the thread.

Limbaugh is a weeping, pus-filled assnugget. I don't normally wish bad things on people, but it wouldn't bother me if he just disappeared in a sinkhole that swallowed the entire EIB network.
 
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Obviously other people do care. Why you felt the need to share is beyond me.

I agree. Obviously he cared enough to come into the thread and comment. Why, I don't know, unless he is just trying to prove how above he is, with regards to caring for a celebrity.
 
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Yeah, suicide is one of those things that you don't really like to talk about, when it was your kid. There is an element of guilt that comes with it, because you wonder how you could have missed that something was going terribly wrong with your own child. Unfortunately, there aren't always signs, and you have no clue that anything was wrong until it's too late. That was the case here. We were all wondering wtf? We will always wonder wtf. Some questions are never answered, so you learn to live without assurances that life will always be good and predictable. It really minimizes the importance of so many trivial matters, and makes you realize that life just happens, no matter what you think, or how you feel.

You are such a strong woman. You've been through so much - I swear, I don't know how you do it. Love you, sweet girl. <hug> I don't always agree with you on things, but damn. You are a rock.
 
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Just to put this in before I forget. Robin Williams' best work...

The Fisher King.
 
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You are such a strong woman. You've been through so much - I swear, I don't know how you do it. Love you, sweet girl. <hug> I don't always agree with you on things, but damn. You are a rock.

Hugs back to you hon. :D
 
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My personal experience was that one of my best friends in high school, and my youngest son, committed suicide.

Wow lizzie im truly sorry to hear this. I cant even imagine such a thing. That's very brave of you to even mention this.
 
Re: [RIP]Robin Williams Dead at 63 [W:194]

Just to put this in before I forget. Robin Williams' best work...

The Fisher King.

That is probably in my top ten favorite movies ever. I loved it. I loved the characters. I loved the laughs and the tears. It made me feel okay that some people are quirky and strange, and that they can still have a good quality life.
 
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That is probably in my top ten favorite movies ever. I loved it. I loved the characters. I loved the laughs and the tears. It made me feel okay that some people are quirky and strange, and that they can still have a good quality life.

My favorite part was the very awkward bit at the end that Jeff Bridges was filmed trying to sing at the hospital and Director Terry Gilliam put the sound on and he was just making moaning noises. I think that Jeff thought he could fake lip sync through the scene and Terry put the volume on him.

And that awkwardness was so weird it still fit in the theme of the movie.
 
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How so? I haven't read that, but then I haven't been home much today.

Edited: Never mind. I should have continued to read the thread.

Limbaugh is a weeping, pus-filled assnugget. I don't normally wish bad things on people, but it wouldn't bother me if he just disappeared in a sinkhole that swallowed the entire EIB network.

What Limbaugh said was completely stupid and out of place, but by making these remarks you are only going down to his level.
 
Re: [RIP]Robin Williams Dead at 63 [W:194]

What Limbaugh said was completely stupid and out of place, but by making these remarks you are only going down to his level.

So? That doesn't bother me at all. Limbaugh is a stain on the fabric of this country, and has been for years. This country was always able to speak politely about politics, but since Limbaugh entered the fray, it's like the spectators at a golf match with Happy Gilmore. Nobody cares anymore about the truth. They just want to hear what makes them feel good, and he's the one to do it. I make no apologies for anything I say about him, and if brings me down to his level, then so be it. At least I know I can rise up out of the muck. He won't. He'll stay there, because that's where his listeners want him to be.
 
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Try following the conversation.

And working on your sense of humor, while you're at it.

There is no humor in someone losing their child.

You are classless and rude.
 
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So? That doesn't bother me at all. Limbaugh is a stain on the fabric of this country, and has been for years. This country was always able to speak politely about politics, but since Limbaugh entered the fray, it's like the spectators at a golf match with Happy Gilmore. Nobody cares anymore about the truth. They just want to hear what makes them feel good, and he's the one to do it. I make no apologies for anything I say about him, and if brings me down to his level, then so be it. At least I know I can rise up out of the muck. He won't. He'll stay there, because that's where his listeners want him to be.
Whatever you say. Rush Limbaugh can often make some good points but this time he was way off base.
 
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It is impossible to understand the mind of someone focused on suicide if you have not been there, or have not been significantly connected to someone who has been there. Suicide is completely contradictory to one of our basic instincts: survival and self-preservation. The mindset is really like this: one is in such emotional/existential pain that the ending of that pain is so primary as the degree of that pain is so unbearable, that violating the basic instinct of survival and self-preservation not only becomes possible, but feels necessary. The pain overtakes EVERYTHING.

I did my graduate thesis on suicide and have treated hundreds of suicidal patients, both in thought, and those who have actually had attempts. It is a very difficult issue to treat, as the level of depression that one must be in to get to this place is massive. It is imperative that one be in GOOD treatment in order to recover from this, and in many cases, one may need to be somewhere that provides monitored safety.

One thing I've learned. If someone says something about suicide, no matter how light, ALWAYS take them seriously.
 
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I used to be that way too, Tres. I would get so pissed, and just rail against the person for being so selfish. I never really thought about them being mentally ill, until somebody here talked about it, at length. I don't remember who committed suicide, but it pissed me right off. They had families that loved them, and they just gave up. Suicide doesn't hurt the person who does it, it hurts the people who are left behind. But then I started looking at it as a true mental illness, and I think differently. I still don't understand 100%, but at least I am not furious with him like I would have been before. I just feel sorry for him. I feel more sorry for his family, but still...

Well said Superflygirl. I know someone whose father hung himself in his garage when he (my friend) was 12. 40 years later he still hurts from it, as do his mother and siblings. I talked to him once about it, years ago, and that's exactly what he said - that it hurt the people his father left behind. Permanently.

In 1936 my mother's uncle (my grandfather's brother) took his mother's car and plugged the exhaust somehow and killed himself. My mother's cousin was only 4 at the time. I'm close to her to this day. She doesn't remember her father at all but she knows he obviously had mental illness, and she (my aunt/first cousin once removed who I call my "Aunt") also has mental illness to some degree. It's very sad, and very real.

Such an awful disease that doesn't get the attention it deserves. It impacts more than just the person. It impacts everyone the person knows.
 
Re: Robin Williams committed suicude.

Some interesting points I have read in the last 24 hours about how we are mourning the loss. Someone in the Mental Health field pointed this out (paraphrase):

"When ever you hear a person refer to a suicide as the person is 'now at peace' or that they are now 'free' just stop for a minute and contemplate how this sounds to a person who is currently contemplating suicide."

I have to admit it gave me pause, and I have probably used both of those phrases in the last 48 hours.
 
Re: Robin Williams committed suicude.

Some interesting points I have read in the last 24 hours about how we are mourning the loss. Someone in the Mental Health field pointed this out (paraphrase):

"When ever you hear a person refer to a suicide as the person is 'now at peace' or that they are now 'free' just stop for a minute and contemplate how this sounds to a person who is currently contemplating suicide."

I have to admit it gave me pause, and I have probably used both of those phrases in the last 48 hours.

Especially considering that those who attempted suicide and failed usually ended up regretting it.
 
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Live at the Roxbury. He was flying high....

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Wasn't say a thing, but...

Robin Williams could have tapped anyone in the western world on the shoulder and told them he felt down and they would have told him not to worry, that he was great, that they loved him. He must have known that. He must have known his wife and kids loved him, that his mates all thought he was great, that millions of strangers the world over held him in their hearts, a hilarious stranger that we could rely on to anarchically interrupt, the all-encompassing sadness of the world. Today Robin Williams is part of the sad narrative that we used to turn to him to disrupt.

Russell Brand: Robin Williams
 
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